Trump: The Third Year

I believe so, but I don’t think they were much in bidens stronghold states.

I don’t think anything can take the wind away from this particular one. The redacted and edited WH summary version was enough to add steam on its own. Imagine what the proceedings will find.

I question how many of the left base even acknowledge this as a thing tbh. I’m not sure if they’ll even need to hold their nose.

The Ukraine thing already feels like a super weak Benghazi lite. It doesn’t help that the spawn of the news story was more Trump flirting with gray areas. At least Benghazi started as a proper smear campaign

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The UberVictim has yet to reveal zerself. They are still in search of the gay, African-American, illegal Mexican, white, Yankee do-gooder, transsexual atheist they have been promised.

Why are we talking about Beto again?

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Dude, that isn’t the actual Zlochevskyi, the guy running Burisma.

That’s Devon Archer, the figurehead serving on Burisma’s board, much like his friend and business partner in failed shady business schemes Hunter Biden. They’ve been friends for two decades.

Zlochevskyi put two unwitting idiot American rich kids on board (in addition to one Polish ex-president) hoping to ingratiate itself with the Obama administration. It didn’t work.

On Sept. 24, 2015, Geoffrey Pyatt, then the American ambassador to Ukraine, spoke in Odessa about the scourge of corruption. It was about a year and a half after what is sometimes called the Revolution of Dignity, when Ukrainians overthrew the kleptocratic, Russian-aligned regime of Viktor Yanukovych. The country was trying to move in a more liberal, European direction. Corruption, said Pyatt, threatened to hold the new Ukraine back.

Pyatt called out the office of Viktor Shokin, then the prosecutor general of Ukraine. “Corrupt actors within the prosecutor general’s office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” he said. Pyatt specifically lambasted Shokin’s office for subverting a British case against a man named Mykola Zlochevsky, Yanukovych’s former ecology minister.

In 2014, as part of a money-laundering investigation, British authorities froze $23 million Zlochevsky had in London. They requested supporting documentation from Shokin’s office. Instead, it intervened on Zlochevsky’s behalf. “As a result the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus,” said Pyatt.

“Shokin was seen as a single point of failure clogging up the system and blocking corruption cases,” a former official in Barack Obama’s administration told me. Vice President Joe Biden eventually took the lead in calling for Shokin’s ouster.

As all this was happening, Biden’s son, Hunter, sat on the board of Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company that Zlochevsky co-founded, at some points earning $50,000 a month. Zlochevsky might have thought he could ingratiate himself with the Obama administration by buying an association with the vice president. All available evidence suggests he was wrong.

Turning this history on its head, Trump has accused Joe Biden of coercing Ukraine to jettison Shokin in order to protect Hunter. He has pressured Ukraine’s current president to open an investigation into the Bidens, which would make Trump’s charges seem more credible. As the president faces impeachment, his surrogates are parroting his attack on Biden, and his campaign is reportedly spending a staggering $10 million on an ad to amplify the smear.

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He’s been trending down generally, and the state poll surges for Warren and Bernie are going to harm him.

Warren definitely has some momentum right now.

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They aren’t, as Biden polls best in Southern states. He’s polling comparatively poorly in the North East and West coast.

If Bernie dropped out, I think Warren would definitely be polling ahead of Biden.

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I’m aware. Joe Biden has said about the millions from Ukraine and the $1.5 billion Hunter’s fund got from the bank of China that he “never discussed” Hunter’s foreign business dealings with him. Golfing with Bursima board members whilst with Hunter… I’m sure they just talked about how dry the greens were.

That doesn’t mean he knows anything about their business.

I agree with basing our beliefs upon your biased supposition.

Ok, since this is a classic operation of dezinformatsiya, let’s examine this and disassemble it into principal components. Is Hunter Biden a cokehead who apparently knocked some stripper up, as conservative columnists who suddenly rediscovered their moral compass claim? Probably. Did Hunter and his “Burisma board member” friend Devon engage in shady business behavior in their numerous business endeavors throughout the years? Probably.

Is it a form of legalized corruption for rich American families? Probably.

But in Burisma case the seem to be mere figureheads, paid 50k by an oligarch to sit on the company board.

But all these things do not matter because the whole “Biden scandal” boils down to only two facts and this is where it falls apart:

  • Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma. Even more, when asked for support from British authorities, Shokin’s office refused and instead sent a doctored memo to Burisma’s legal team to help them in their defense. That’s aiding and abetting, not “investigating”.

  • Biden intervention was not only official US policy that originated in State Department and was vetted by the WH and relevant US agencies, but part of overall Western policy towards Ukraine, where both US, EU and IMF insisted on Shokin’s dismissal, not to mention Ukrainian public opinion.

And that’s it. These are the two facts this scandal boils down to. And that’s what Fox, the White House and conservatives pundits don’t want anyone to see. So they introduce all those fake “gotcha” moments and “changes in the narrative”

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lolz.

The idea that corrupt Ukrainians needed an American to run their corrupt business is beyond stupid. If anyone thinks Hunter Biden was running things they should question their intelligence.

That sudden rediscovery coincided with the other simultaneous sudden rediscovery that corruption was bad and not to be tolerated.

I think Biden’s more popular than people give him credit for. And maybe the most popular thing about him is that the vast majority of people think he has the best shot to beat Trump.

I’m sure the far left wants Warren or Sanders but I think all but the most die hard would take a win from Biden against Trump than a loss from one of their preferred I believe.

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Nailed it. “Conservative” critiques of the impeachment inquiry simply are not engaging in fact based discussion.

Trump isn’t doing himself any favors by threatening congressional representatives exercising constitutionally mandated oversight with treason charges and violating the federal protections accorded to whistle-blowers.

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Most people running for office have a clue about how the government works. Trump doesn’t know and of course honestly doesn’t care.

This race just blew wide open.

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Well, I have said all I have to say about it. I am going to let this play out. Finding an impeachable offense from a phone call is really unlikely. It’s a phone call, so things cannot just be implied or up for debate, it has to be absolutely clear and over the top and I haven’t seen that been presented. Theories abound, no real evidence.
I think the media exposure did more to harm Biden than Trump, but it just tells you how that media machine works. Or the DNC, who ever is pushing this narrative more.
For all I know, (taking off tin foil hat) this could be a maneuver to push Biden out and slide Hillary into that spot.
I didn’t think Hillary had the balls to show her face for a 3rd time in a Presidential race, but it’s looking more and more like she may slide in.
I don’t know what is going to happen, but I don’t think this impeachment push will ultimately succeed.

The threshold for impeachment is NOT blatantly committing a crime.

I don’t think any of Bidens people are stupid enough to buy into the narrative. Most of them were voters during the Benghazi age of endless GOP smear campaigns with no substance.

Otoh, impeachment talk being drummed up seemed to have a measurable effect on Trump’s ratings. It even pushed my family over the edge.

Depends on what you mean by succeed. Like Benghazi, the intent was to smear Hillary and stop her from becoming POTUS. While Benghazi accomplished “nothing” (officially), it was still 100% successful.

It’s a mixed bag in polling. People that hated him anyway also want him impeached.

On the other hand the impeachment has been a cash machine so far.

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