Because you are ignorant. I don’t like policy from someone without character. Their policy will be shaped by that fact. Hence Trump’s lack of policy.
Uh, no - I haven’t believed a single thing proven to be factually untrue. If you want to point to something you think I have, be my guest.
I read everything from the Washington Post to FoxNews to the National Review to the actual released documents themselves. I don’t live in an echo chamber. You know it and I know it. The issue is I’ve bothered to read around and form and independent thought on the matter - by contrast, you’ve consumed spoonfed progaganda and refuse to think Dear Leader could ever do anything wrong.
If either of us lives in a bubble, well, it’s you.
I legitimately tried to engage in discussion - you proved incapable. You didn’t “speak back” - I can respect that - instead you beclowned yourself as a mindless follower who can’t be bothered to learn facts and form opinions. Have a good one.
1 Like
Where you at @treco? I’m trying to get a better understanding of the pro-Trump explanation. What’s the answer?
1 Like
This is the question that I have.
Why do the DEMS think that the outcome of all of this is going to be any different?
Trump has skirted the edges of legality and avoided the consequences his whole Life. He is a thug who is in his element. The whole Mueller investigation should have been a wake-up call that Trump is the true “Teflon-Don”, who manipulates people, circumstances, elections and even the Constitution with skills that would make Capone, Luciano and Gotti jealous.
My guess? No…my prediction…Trump will sleaze his way out of this issue too.
MAGA.
Four more years.
But Trump evading consequence from the Mueller investigation wasn’t a function of his wit or skill - it was a function of the office he inhabits and the standing policy that you can’t pursue charges against a sitting President. That’s incredibly lucky for Trump, but luck ain’t skill.
I have no idea what the impeachment process holds, but I know this - Trump’s luck continues to be buoyed by the Right’s shameless abandonment of their principles. Here we have credible evidence of Trump trying to leverage a foreign power to help his electoral chances, which should be an unforgivable sin amongst “constitutional conservatives” or whatever the Hell they used to identify as. How long will that last?
2 Likes
Not ignoring you…in Austin for long weekend.
Haven’t read into Guiliani involvement yet, other than reading first summary release and wondering WTH would Ukrainian Prez need to contact him as personal lawyer, rather than State. Will wnswer more when l digest more.
GREAT food and music!
I’m jealous, @treco!
I hear you, @thunderbolt23…and agree.
What’s the old saying…“Better to be lucky than good…” (or something like that).
I’ve asked this more than once, @thunderbolt23…
Where is the “outraged” T-Party and all of the “Don’t Tread on Me” Flags when it comes to Trump?
Unbelievable.
If anyone doubts Obama’s skin color didn’t play a role in that Tea party bs, they are lying to themselves.
No way. Those Tea Party patriots are out in full force over the exploding debt and presidential overreach of Trump. It’s on every channel.
3 Likes
You’re a very obedient sheep. Assiming we are talking about the Ukrainian “bombshell”.
Leshchenko wasn’t even there, hasn’t worked for the president for months… Great source.
But hey, go ahead with the impeachment proceedings. It will be funny to watch them fail. It’s a proceeding in search of a reason.
And what was Biden’s son doing on the board of a Ukrainain energy company when he knows nothing about energy.
There is no pid-quo-pro. But hey, I guess the left is used to having egg on their faces by now.
I bet you believe that Jussie Smollet was attacked by 2 MAGA hat wearing honkeys who regularly watched ‘Empire’ and knew who he was.
You have claimed to know a lot about this story but have not demonstrated any.
Triggering emotional foamy mouthed outrage…now. You may insult me and call me names at your leasuire since you don’t have facts on your side.
Like I said, pat did not post any retractions. He also proved once again he can’t differentiate opinion from fact.
Do you read the sources you’ve posted? This has to do with the specific allegation that Trump demanded consideration of the Biden investigation as a precondition to the leaders talking. That wasn’t true - but that doesn’t impact the other issues and it doesn’t dismiss it since Trump obviously asked for the favor of a Biden investigation on the call.
So, swing and a miss on your cited sources “proving” the whole thing is about nothing.
Heh, I know plenty, all it takes is spending some time away from your favorite Kardashian programming and reading the news - say, one of the big questions is why Giuliani was working on Ukraine to fire up a Biden investigation. What’s your answer?
Here’s an update on that angle, courtesy of FoxNews, which felt compelled to disclose that, um, a guest on the Tucker Carlson show has been teaming with Giuliani to try and privately influence Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden:
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself. The conservative media thinks that the “gotcha” moment is when they inaccurately reported Leschenko’s current position?
Do you know how big of a shit show that senile amateur wannabe criminal (Giuliani to be precise) created with his amateur hour conspiracies?
Besides, there seems to be a story breaking out how John Solomon (that was mentioned by @Basement_Gainz) was being fed fake documents - something I have surmised in this thread.
1 Like
It’s amazing how the same people who claim Obama’s birth certificate is fake will believe documents coming from some of the most corrupt places on Earth must be true.
1 Like
The Obama Presidency followed by Trump has created quite a number of paradoxes, for sure.
lolz…
Or maybe they’re invoking the Eleventeenth Amendment of the Constitution, which clearly states none of the constitutional requirements of the office need to be enforced as long as the President says mean things about Libs on social media and TV.
There’s more. And it’s darkly hilarious. The next prosecutor after Shokin (you know, the one from the Biden affair) was one named Lutsenko. After a new president was elected, he found out he was going to lose his job. So we had this idea - he’ll make himself indispensable to the Trumpkins who’ll in turn push the new president into keeping him in his post.
Lutsenko told Guliani what he wanted to hear:
The prosecutor was facing growing criticism in Kyiv over stalled investigations into corruption. In November 2018, when Giuliani says he began to focus on the country, Lutsenko offered to resign after a young anti-corruption activist, Kateryna Handziuk, died from a sulphuric acid attack.
Lutsenko stayed in office. But the Guardian has learned that he began seeking a lifeline to the US, in the hope it might save him as difficulties back home intensified.
That lifeline was Giuliani.
Lutsenko strongly needed some political ally, he believed that Giuliani could convey specific messages to Trump, and he created this message to become more interesting to the American establishment,” said a law enforcement source familiar with the Giuliani-Lutsenko connection.
That Giuliani might have been fed information by Ukraine’s then-top prosecutor that was adulterated to make it more appealing to Trump is a startling potential twist in the developing scandal.
According to the Guardian’s source, Lutsenko appeared in conversation with Giuliani to have invented a “don’t prosecute” list he claimed was given to him by the then US ambassador to Kyiv, Marie Yovanovitch – news of which apparently made its way up to Trump.
Yovanovitch was abruptly removed in May after Giuliani pressed for changes in the embassy. Giuliani has since claimed without evidence that the “don’t prosecute” list was part of a liberal anti-Trump conspiracy that included Yovanovitch and was bankrolled by the philanthropist George Soros.
And here’s the part about Solomon:
In March and April, the Hill ’s published a series of articles that appear to be based off of the same Skype video interview with Lutsenko conducted by then executive vice president for digital video, John Solomon.
In them, Lutsenko makes a number of explosive claims about the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential race, and Vice President Joe Biden’s activities in the country, which closely align with the basis of Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to find potentially damaging information on the president’s political rivals in Ukraine. Lutsenko has acknowledged that he has met with Giuliani on three occasions this year.
The episode highlights the role that Trump, his surrogates, and conservative media circles have played in spreading an amorphous and incorrect narrative around Ukraine that has tarnished career diplomats and one of the leading candidates in the democratic presidential race in order to advance the president’s own political ends.