You can start by refuting my argument that mass immigration is moving the country left or how the level of welfare immigrants take compared to natives is exorbitant.
Did you make an argument (ie, a data-based set of assertions related to these empirical issues), or simply offer a fact-free opinion? (I truly don’t know, is why I’m asking.)
I’ve posted it multiple times. We have had this discussion a minimum of 5 times since I started posting about the election in early 2016.
I don’t feel like digging it up again but the data is from the center for immigration studies cis.org
Exit polls show that all minority groups voted for Hillary by wide margins, this has been true historically. Most immigrants start out poor when they arrive here, which explains why they would favor Liberal policies. There is an underlying disapproval with how this country founded and developed, and the fastest way to change that is through immigration.
The funny thing is, Republicans got the same number of votes with Latinos, whether they were called rapists or you gave them full amnesty (compared to the 1988 election).
Actually, foreign-born citizens earn, on average, slightly more than do native-born citizens, and their incomes are rising at a faster rate:
And a number of people refuted it, namely @anon50325502, who laid waste to some of your sillier assertions.
This has been asked and answered several times over.
Let’s instead talk about your theories of how females are subordinate and how certain races are not compatible with liberty.
Not an argument
If you don’t deny minorities overwhelmingly vote left there’s nothing to discuss
Ya… Mass immigration to America isn’t a real thing…
The question is, are foreign born citizens the same as “immigrants” ?
Is a 1st generation Mexican-American, or Asian-American, still considered an immigrant ?
The link you provided doesn’t distinguish that. Usually it takes a generation, maybe two, for the immigrant to move upward with education and skills. But upon their initial arrival to the US, most immigrants start off making little money, which as the saying goes, “when at the bottom, you can only go up.”
Also from your link…
“And while the median non-citizen household (a group that include both legal and illegal immigrants) makes much less than their native-born counterpart, that difference has been shrinking fast. (The apparent annual growth of real median household income of non-citizen immigrants likely has something to do with to an overall decline in unauthorized immigrants since 2007.)”
^ This hammers the point that cheap illegal labor depresses wages, and if he Democratic Party were truly interested in addressing income inequality, they would make E-Verify mandatory and go after employers who hire cheap labor.
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95 million adult Americans are out of the workforce. Which makes you wonder why are they importing ~ a million people per year annually?
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I think the term foreign-born citizen is pretty self-explanatory, and by definition, means the individual is an immigrant.
What is your source for these assertions?
It also depresses costs, and therefore prices. So if you’re going to argue that illegal labor negatively impacts American workers, you’re going to have to include this in your calculus on the issue.
Likewise, if the GOP were truly interested in curbing illegal immigration, they would do the same.
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Deja Vu much…
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This 95 million number is the highest it’s been in decades. That’s still a humongous amount of dependent people. Furthermore middle wage jobs are being replaced by low wage jobs meaning if you count the number of people under employed the figures are worse.
The rhetoric coming from the Left is that legality is not defined within the term “immigrant”, meaning some are legal and some are not.
Here is my source about immigrants first coming to America starting out poor…
“From the mid-1980s to 2005, California’s population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000.”
^This represents a percentage of 70% of immigrants who come here and get on the dole.
When you factor in all the costs of illegal immigration (education, healthcare, welfare, incarceration, lost remittances, and various government programs), that cheap labor isn’t so cheap.
Agreed that both parties don’t want to do shit about illegal immigration, too much to be gained by both parties.
Here you go,
@MaximusB: Your source (the American Renaissance website) represents a racist organization. I will not read the link, nor will I countenance their arguments. If you’d like to re-fashion your position from other, non-racist sources, I’d be happy to engage with you on them.
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source: http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2012/11/2012_Latino_vote_exit_poll_analysis_final_11-07-12.pdf
Hispanic immigration is literally going to be the death of small government practises and ultimately the Republican party.