Logs in… sees Raj get outed. skips forward 50 posts, still talking about Raj.
Zeb argument about lying politicians. Skip forward 100 posts, still arguing about intellectual consistency.
No discussion of current events. Well done PWI.
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Here you go gainz
I don’t plan to get in the middle of this tit for tat that you guys get into about every 3rd thread, but regarding Trump, I would like to make this observation.
I read a Toronto Star article detailing his lies. One example it used several times was the several occasions he claimed saving $6-700BB on F-35.
Star said Popular Mechanics (that well known bastion of cutting edge investigative reporting) said the DOD and Lockheed had been working on the savings for a year, thus Trump merely laid claim.
Yet NYT and CNN basically ran this headline and is searchable on Goggle as
After Trump attack, Lockheed Martin slashes F-35 cost
In both articles, this disclaimer appears
But while the new agreement adds up to roughly $7 million in savings per jet over the last order, the extent to which Trump’s criticism impacted negotiations remains unclear.
Trump is a pathological liar and a narcissistic jerk . So is the opposition (including the media) that sets up Gotcha traps with every utterance.
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Yep, I agree. Moving on.
Agreed–I believe it sets him apart from most other politicians because as much as they lie, they at least a) make it plausibly true most of the time and b) don’t lie often enough that every other word that comes from their mouth is bait for fact checkers.
I’m not sure whether Trump has elevated it to an art form or dumped it straight in the gutter, but he’s certainly done more than his fair political share already.
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I honestly think Trump says outrageous things in order to own the news cycle. Ever notice how “W” or Obama would go into seclusion to plan their next move? The only thing you’d here from the white house was from the press Secretary? Miss those days?
Trump is good for ratings no matter which flavor of news media you are. They will keep putting him on the front page as long as it’s good for ratings. Trump owns the media.
We had a liberal mom at the library tell us that her toddler wanted to watch the news every night during the election. When she asks her daughter why “I want to watch the pretty ladies talk about the angry man. He’s funny.”
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I think the scariest part about Trump’s lies are the ease at which his diehard supporters believe them, even with proof in the other direction. His “alternative facts” that millions of Americans (most of my family included) believe just because he says so is terrifying.
Makes me wonder IF a scenario exists that would sway these “tow the party line” type of people from supporting Trump. There were scores of republicans willing to step up and criticize W for his blunders, as well as liberals willing to criticize Obama. What’s seemed to happen is the creation of these 2 “camps” where you’re either on board with everything and anything Trump, or you’re a dirty fakenews liberal out to destroy America.
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No, just pointing out your inconsistencies. I have broken T Nation rules and by you reminding everyone every time we are in a thread together you too break T Nation rules. If that is not irony what is? As I said start a new thread and talk all about it. At least I stopped breaking T Nation rules you continue to do so every time you take a thread off course with your vendetta…which by the way I welcome…but in a separate thread.
So bring it.
Who would you say this is, in the light of all of the Libs and Dems, the far right and neocons, the media, every foreign politician, and every globalist - both in power and on this board are against him?
Complaining is all fine and dandy on a philosophical plane of preferring George Washington combined with Gandhi mated with Oprah for a leader. But the fact of the matter is, Trump is President and de facto leader of the West.
We need him to show some progress, and should root for that. Whining without constructive alternatives, at any level, is still whining, no?
tagged fury but just a general whine hehe
I think the intervention in Syria might be a breaking point for his die-hard America First! followers - I mean, that is a serious contradiction that they should be furious about. So far, polling doesn’t bear that out, but as Syria gets in the news more, we’ll see if that changes.
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Is history repeating itself?
And as I have explained to you multiple times that is NOT the argument at hand. It’s like I am saying “hey you took my coffee it was sitting right here on the desk” and your response is “I never once touched your Danish.” You cannot defend YOUR original assertion so you do back bends to change the subject…very transparent to all with at least an average IQ.
If you want to make a separate argument fine. But you have no real response in defending your original position–NONE and your theatrics in attempting to change the topic is hilarious.
To remind all of your original statement: So they don’t have to fish through all the posts:
[quote=“thunderbolt23, post:6415, topic:223365”]
- “hey, they all lie, whatevs” line is a new tactic to so downplay Trump’s allergy to the truth. [/quote]
This… your original accusation is wrong. As we have both agreed that I said all politicians lie long before Trump had the nomination. And now you have tried to expand your argument how many times? And changed your argument how many times? Just so you can twist this to look like you are correct? Pathetic.
Again why would I be downplaying Trump’s allergy to the truth before the guy was even nominated? As I was a known Rubio supporter
Where is the logic in your foolish statements? You cannot rewrite history.
And you went on to say the following in the same post:
When I was railing against ALL politicians back during the primaries (and even before) how could I have possibly known that Trump would actually win the nomination? So the above, your original assertion is WRONG…WRONG …>WRONG. And no matter how many times you try to expand the argument into something that it is not…it will not work. The argument has always been about your single original post.
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You cannot change the original criteria I was commenting on no matter how many times that you try!
Then you post this to further distort your original point which you have never been able to defend.
The only one who has had his backside handed to him is you. And anyone can tell by the thunderbolt rewrite medley that has been going on. What do they teach in law school? If you are not correct originally change or expand the topic. No one will realize this and then eventually you will be correct. Nope not this time buddy. You were wrong and anyone who cares to follow discourse can plainly see it.
One more time: you cannot successfully defend your original point, that being you accused me of claiming all politicians lie in order to defend Trump as I said it during the primaries before Trump was the nominee. And in fact I was a well known Rubio supporter. So where is your logic? You have none so you’ve chosen the pathetic road of trying to change the subject expanding your argument. The fact that you are going to such great lengths to expand this debate proves conclusively that your original assertion was quite WRONG. And that is not the only thing you are wrong about.
You never answered me regarding the charge of being a political hack.
How can I be a political hack when claiming that a well loved former republican President GHW Bush lied about taxes? I asked this two or three times and only received silence in return.
You are running on ego alone and while no doubt your cronies will all line up and pat you on the back the large body of PWI participants know exactly what you are doing and it is a sad display of ego run amuck.
Your philosophy: Never admit you are wrong and you are actually never wrong. Again…PATHETIC
No, we get it, Zeb. A Democrat lies, disqualifying. A Republican lies, no biggie, everyone does it, not disqualifying.
Sorry, Zeb - the rate of return on investment in talking with you on this is a number less than zero, and you’ve beclowned yourself yet again. On to current events.
I meant these 2 camps only exist to diehard Trumpers. I probably could have explained that better.
Whining shows support (or lack thereof) of the policies being pushed forward. Since he’s supposed to be representing all Americans, it seems pretty important to know if Americans agree with what he’s doing no?
Interpretation, “I can no longer try to expand the debate to the point where I am correct and can save face. You have seen my tactic for what it is. I have no defense for making my original claim and I was wrong.”
You should be used to being wrong by now. As you have been wrong a number of times:
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Wrong about Hillary winning
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Wrong about Trump not getting the nomination
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Wrong about Trump appointing a conservative to the bench
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Wrong about me accusing well known conservatives on the board of being “left leaning liberals” (a statement you agreed with)
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And now wrong about accusing me of creating a tactic to defend Trump claiming all politicians lie when in fact I was saying it during the primaries long before Trump was President.
You have a stellar track record of being wrong but what is more unimpressive is your inability to ever admit that you are wrong.
I suggested a few days back that we not talk to each other. This was offered up for peace on the board. You refused…fine. But when you attribute statements to me that are obviously inaccurate we will engage.
While I agree that he is, the desires of Americans are too diametrically opposed. An example is healthcare.
Take away ACA, Liberals scream inhumanity, replace it with Trumpcare - hard right votes it down, have any healthcare at all - Libertarians raise hell.
So how can he (or anyone) function for all, when all have opposite and non-negotiable goals? This holds true in every major area - jobs, societal security/opportunity, foreign policy.
You are spot on treco. I have never seen this country more politically divided. But we did know with both Trump’s and Hillary’s negatives being so high that neither would be, or could be a unifier. Where we go from here is anyone’s guess. If Trump is to be reelected he has a huge up hill battle on his hands. He can fulfill all of his promises and still may not get reelected as half the country is not interested in what he promised the other half.
Although I will say that creating a better economy will absolutely impress those on the fence. When things are going well economically many are willing to forgive and forget as they want it to keep going. And one more point in his favor. Many on the left have accused him of being insane. If 4 years pass and he doesn’t do anything crazy that too is to his advantage in the minds of the serious Trump haters.
As I have said many times it’s the greatest show on earth.
My God, man, I think you may need medication. Seriously. You just don’t take the hint.
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Better look in the mirror I am not the one who can never admit when he is wrong.
Oh and apparently you are “investing more time in speaking with me” after you said you wouldn’t.
My gosh you are just a big bag of emotion huh?
If Tillerson works out a deal with Russia to oust Assad and stabilize Syria with limited US involvement what would be your overall opinion of how Trump handled the situation? Negative, Positive or Meh?
I’m curious if he can pull this off without alienating his base.
Nope. But look, we get it. You’ve been roundly humiliated in these forums (to the point you’re a laughingstock) and every single time someone criticizes you, you think your internet honor is at stake and you try to wage a personal battle.
Example? If you thought my original claim was wrong - which you say you do - why not engage civilly and say that you think I have it wrong but ask for more clarification? I gave you every opportunity. In fact, look at the tone of my first responses back to you - matter of fact, civil, attempting to add more explanation to make make sure you knew exactly where I was coming from.
Instead, you start throwing a tantrum to and try to insist - stupidly - that every single time I provide further explanation or re-explanation as to what I meant (assuming any confusion in the first place) that I was being wrong and dishonest about what I was saying, which I obviously wasn’t.
Everyone read it, everyone gets it. It’s a tired routine, it’s the same move over and over that no one buys any more, least of all me. And it makes you look terrible. Move on.