Thanks treco. This is much more helpful than a sentence in a paragraph. Notably, this gives a source of the information (BLS) as well as history and context.
As I said, I don’t have an problem believing that NAFTA affected manufacturing jobs negatively. That wasn’t the crux of my previous statement.
That would be the bigger question. It happened with the cotton gin, the steam engine, the car, the assembly line, airplanes, the computer, robotics, and now the internet.
It WILL happen again, the question is when, not if. And the second question is how are we preparing our next generation to meet those challenges via education/training, etc.
It will happen with high skilled workers too if nothing changes that’s the point that needs to be hammered home.
BTW 300 of jobs Trump prevented from moving were engineering and headquarter jobs (see fortune link above)
Quickest way for me to turn on Trump?
He goes back on his immigration reform.
The fact that Pence mentioned he and Paul Ryan are going straight to work on immigration is worrisome
I highly doubt you’ll want to live in a country with mass unemployment - we are presently at 95M adults out of the work force and extreme wealth inequality. It will become worse than it is now.
The purpose of the economy is to serve it’s citizens ultimately.
My God why are so many people on this forum such chicken shits? You guys are afraid of everything. You are afraid of a women, Mexicans, gays, Muslims, free markets, and
protestors. The US is turning into a big bunch of pussies.
We pussies are humbled by your alphaness.
Now go blow your faggot boyfriend and tell us how you’re not afraid you have HIV
It was a pipedream from the beginning. Seriously, Ryan held the purse strings and mass deportation was never going to happen.
Ha! That was a great response. You didn’t let me down with that weak attempt to demonize gays.
The interesting thing I see in the chart is that mfg increased from 94 (start of Nafta) until 98, then starting falling. Without looking, I’m remembering GOP congress during most of the big slide until recession 2007 ish. We’re talking 6MM mfg jobs gone!!!
My hunch is jobs were encouraged to go overseas with incentive. I would have to research to refute this thought. But combined with 1MM + legal immigrants and untold illegal coming into country AND spending TTs in the ME, damn.
Lucky to even have a country.
Someone had to build all of the equipment to get those new plants up and running!
Then they went home.
It’s interesting for certain, but don’t think it’s clear cut–the republicans also controlled Congress during the years when mfg increased as well. Also during the last 20 years the Democrats have increasingly aligned themselves with corporations as well, all rhetoric to the contrary (that was one of the big draws to both Sanders and Trump with voters).
EDIT–I agree with you, it would need a lot more research because I am certain that a lot of factors played into this. I can think of a number of big changes in the last 25 years
Egghead mcMullin upset over SOS potential lead nominee
Is he wrong?
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Nah, it’s the new paradigm of US foreign policy - quasi and outright fascist dictators are cool. No whiny liberals under their watch.
Nixon was famous for his “ping-pong diplomacy”, Trump will initiate the “hotel diplomacy” - “find an attractive plot of land in your country for my kids to build a hotel on and fast track all the paperwork, and I’ll let you do anything you want, including starting wars and stuff”
Wait and see mode
This is a disgusting and stupid response. You’re an embarrassment.
You can’t say it was unexpected, considering his motives for supporting Trump.
You mean direct incentives by the US government? Or someone else?
The economics were already an incentive - lower labor and environmental costs, if nothing else.
And to be clear, I’m with you on this - I lament this sea change in our economy. Some of it was inevitable, and I am not an economic isolationist, but we made some very bad policy choices that hastened the hollowing of our working classes as well as weakening our national security.
Neoliberal trade theory is based on two huge purported benefits - cheap goodies all over the place in the hands of consumers, and fewer problems between nations who have strong commercial ties.
Cheap goodies are fine (the libertarian’s dream - more stuff to gobble up, because there is no higher pursuit than consumptive materialism), but only if the consumers in our country maintain the economic security they’ve worked hard to achieve in the post-industrial era. In other words, cheap goodies from China aren’t always a decent trade-off to people who can’t feed their family or save for retirement because the jobs making the goodies have gone. I’m firmly in that camp of thinking.
And the national security issues are too obvious to ignore any more.
That said, I don’t think the solution is income redistribution. But step one is admitting we created a problem. And we did.