Sure. Me too. Every state has environmental agencies. They do stuff like clean up the Chesapeake Bay.
Yes. And “the government” has a roll in caring for the environment. Even Milton Friedman will agree with you on that. BUT some of you are talking about “the government” as if International Accords, the EPA, and State agencies on the environment all all conflated into one big thing, “government.” To reject some of this as “bad government” is not libertarianism or AnCap.
I assume that’s not your intention? Do I have to love it all?
Please be specific. I’m really curious about where exactly you’re seeing a current lack of regulation. No, I’m not interested in quotes from the Sierra Club, or in an industrial accident that happened despite regulation. I’m REALLY curious about an industry that’s not being regulated.
Well, you can sarcastically play dumb all you want but that’s not gonna change these basic facts I quoted above. I’m sorry, make that “liberal” facts.
Over the last 800,000 years atmospheric CO2 levels as indicated by the ice-core data have fluctuated between 170 and 300 parts per million by volume (ppmv), corresponding with conditions of glacial and interglacial periods. The Vostok core indicates very similar trends. Prior to about 450,000 years before present time (BP) atmospheric CO2 levels were always at or below 260 ppmv and reached lowest values, approaching 170 ppmv, between 660,000 and 670,000 years ago. The highest pre-industrial value recorded in 800,000 years of ice-core record was 298.6 ppmv, in the Vostok core, around 330,000 years ago. Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased markedly in industrial times; measurements in year 2010 at Cape Grim Tasmania and the South Pole both indicated values of 386 ppmv, and are currently increasing at about 2 ppmv/year.
Italicized text are quotes from WSJ - Back to Basics Agenda for the EPA, Feb 18, 2017.
Remember this? Back in the day? …President Obama believed the executive branch needed express congressional authorization to regulate CO 2 —that is, until Congress said “no” and Mr. Obama turbocharged the EPA.
We currently have an EPA that’s used “sue and settle” to replace legislative action. That’s NOT good government. You know how this works?
… a federal agency invites a lawsuit from an ideologically sympathetic group, with the intent to immediately settle. The goal is to hand the litigators a policy victory through the courts—thereby avoiding the rule-making process, transparency and public criticism. The Obama administration used lawsuits over carbon emissions as its pretext to create climate regulations.
You can believe government plays a roll, and still REALLY want to see the 2015 Waters of the US rule permanently in the circular file, where it belongs. Yes, it’s completely rational to NOT want the see the EPA with power over every creek, pond or pothole in the middle of my cow pasture. Seriously. The EPA now has control over every little low spot with a “significant nexus” to a “navigable waterway.” And yes, people from Colorado can care about their drinking water. They were caring about it long before the EPA became what it now is.
I’m not playing any more. This is a technique I call “beating your fist senseless with my face”.
For further correspondence, could you please type in some kind of monkey gibberish so that I don’t have to have my wife/caretaker translate? She’s already pretty busy reminding me to inhale.
I hadn’t seen that before–the robot-assisted retinal surgery. (BTW, the pt’s condition was a macular hole secondary to an epiretinal membrane.) Very cool!
That is some cool tech. The precision they operate with now is amazing. My oldest brother had something similar to the way that was demonstrated to appear. His field of vision was slowly being blotted out from the inside out. It was treated successfully with surgery, and his vision was restored to, as he put it, like when he was a kid again. I thought it was amazing. For a while you could sneak up right in front of him.
Look, raj, SkyzykS…please don’t come from this tread thinking I (nor many others) are a bunch on Birkenstock wearing/non-bathing/nasty-Dread-Lock wearing Tree Humpers (…if you guys knew me…that would be beyond hilarious to even think it, by the way…!)
My point is Environmental Regulation is a major reason why our water and sewer supplies are separate; auto repair companies can’t simply dump used oil down their toilets; and Coal burning facilities can’t simply dump their toxic sludge into the nearest River.
The list goes on and on.
I am NOT defending the EPA when I post things like this…what I do support is the need for reasonable environmental regulation and continued diligence in protecting the only air, water and soil we have.
This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say that a unwieldy bureaucracy can overstep it’s bounds and get completely out of hand. (I’ve had friends economically devastated by the EPA and The Army Corps of Engineers…and I’ve personally met some of the most arrogant sombitches you would ever meet in your Life from both. Think the IRS is bad? Think again).
If Trump reigns in these behemoths (which I doubt)…I’m all for it.
But don’t start reigning back regulations that are truly beneficial because it gets you some “Fuck YEAH!” moments on Social Media.
In the U.S. it’s not lack of regulation; it’s when:
We are not diligent in the regulations we have (either due to lack of manpower; the bureaucratic tendency to go after what’s “easy” instead of what’s needed; and quite frankly, governmental incompetence).
Playing politics with the environment
EXAMPLES
While the Deep Water Horizon is an example of Epic proportions; municipalities across the Nation deal DAILY with oil and chemical spills mostly from aging piping and Corporate indifference. In other words; paying fines is less than fixing the problems.
Want a TRULY ironic example? (You can’t make this stuff up!)
Probably one of the worst environmental disasters in our time…was CAUSED BY THE EPA!
(The Gold King Mine Disaster).
The list is long, Puff.
If you want your kids to have a clean, healthy environment in which to Live…it takes diligence, not Tweets.
Environmental protection from the government vs deregulation deserves it’s own topic. Someone else wants to start another thread that’s cool, but not going to derail this thread.
Becuase all the fake news has been so unfair…just sad…big league sad…
Ive met high school chicks less sensitve than this guy… He needs to pin 3ccs of test daily to stop being such a bitch
Helps him delegitimize the lying MSM. Twitter and rallies allow him to speak directly to the people unfiltered, that’s why anti-Trumpers/media hate it. Hard to spin.
I agree it’s the best option we have. I just have a lot of problems with what has been going on. We certainly do not want this in the hands of companies, no.
