Haha that was a similar experience I gave to some when I travelled to some smaller towns in Eastern Europe.
This?
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I agree, the wall is nonsense. Very expensive and useless nonsense.
Earlier in this thread I made the following comment:
But you have made the point better than I ever could. The striking juxtaposition of your two comments above says it all. It’s as if they were written by two completely different individuals.
That is incorrect to the point of being bizarre. Japan, anyone?
Edit: I forgot–you’re a racial separatist (to use the kindest, least-insulting term I can think of). You’re not trying to state a fact; it’s more like you’re saying a prayer.
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I don’t think you understand.
If a city in China is 100% racially homogenous how is it possible for racism to occur?
That example you gave has more than one race involved.
If you wish to make the trivial point that a racist act cannot be committed in a place that is racially pure, fine. But racism is a belief system, not an act. Thus, it does not require the presence of others to exist. For example, I imagine you’re sitting in your parent’s basement all alone at the moment, but that doesn’t stop you from being a racist, does it? 
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@therajraj don’t quote me. Go away.
@EyeDentist There is no juxtaposition. Wanting laws enforced is not hatred. It does not create a vilified “other”. Many things come accross that southern border, not just honest migrants looking for work. Drugs, human trafficking, gangs and other unsavory things.
I will take all the hard working Mexicans you’ve got and trade them for theraraj and all the other useless white folks. If they get work visas and do the things they’re supposed to their welcome will be much warmer from the “hateful” trump voters.
Also Republicans are very binary about criminality. Illegal immigration is a crime. When your first action in this country is to flout the law you burn up a good deal of political capital.
Also there’s a vetting issue. How do you tell the difference between a migrant worker and an MS13 gang member if they both walk across the border with no application and no vetting… you can’t.
The main problem is with people who hire illegals. There are laws to file charges on those businesses and they are never enforced. If anyone really wanted to stop this problem, that should be step one. In addition to increased enforcement.
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It’s not trivial because as a population becomes increasingly multi-ethnic, the opportunities for racism grow. That is the point.
If you are honestly concerned about racism, why put these poor immigrants and illegals in harms way?
You can put me on ignore idgaf
BTW racism is a combination of nature and nurture sorry if the truth hurts.
I disagree. Some of the post-election rhetoric has been pretty ugly. Some lefties have been jerks. Yes, even aaccusing Trump voters of being bigots. True story.
Yes. Exactly.
No one? Funny. That’s one sweet set of rose-colored lefty-love goggles you have on. You have a big ole’ progressive crush! So cute. I wish I could find a political party that I could love like that, where I’d bee so smitten that I couldn’t see the fringe whack jobs within it. When they say stupid stuff, I could just think they were eccentric. Sigh. Cue montage of you and Nancy Pelosi running toward each other in a field of daisies.
It could be so many things. Better jobs. Less of a gig economy. Young adults weren’t living at home with their parents because homes were too expensive. Fewer families with addiction issues. Whatever. I’m pretty sure people project whatever they want to onto these vague political slogans. “Hope and Change” was probably something different depending on your demographic. I don’t hope for less gang violence in my neighborhood, but some people have that on their minds.
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Fantastic post. Thanks for that.
The thing is, I know exactly what he’s talking about. It’s not racist or othering to point out the facts like we are getting saturated with heroine that is flooding through our porous southern border. This area in particular has seen an absolute plague of overdoses in the last couple of years.
Life isn’t an academic exercise to examine. It’s an experience. It would be wonderful to explain it all away with a couple of simple concepts and epithets, but it just ain’t that simple.
Also, the whole thing about dog whistling, low information campaign, etc. is probably the nicest way I’ve heard phrased that the people of this region are a bunch of racist idiots. A truly amazing statement when you look at the sheer volume of world changing medical and scientific breakthroughs that have emerged from such a bunch of rubes.
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I have never said a word about ‘hatred.’
But you have to see that Trump’s ‘wall’ strategy involves vilification. If his infamous candidacy-announcement comments about Mexico sending ‘rapists and murderers’ was not vilification, what on earth was it? Truth be told, his whole campaign was almost nothing but vilification–of (off the top of my head) Mexicans, Muslims, HRC and Obama of course, Wall Street tycoons (sometimes), the GOP establishment (ditto), and the media. To one degree or another, and at one time or another, all of these played the role of ‘the other’ in Trump’s campaign. And several are still playing that role to this day.
Furthermore, I would point out that Trump has never offered a sober/serious analysis of what is actually happening at our southern border, much less a cost/benefit analysis of his preposterous ‘solution’ (ie, this boondoggle he has proposed). Be honest: Do you seriously think due diligence has been done with regard to whether a wall is appropriate in terms of its diplomatic repercussions, its effectiveness, and its fiduciary implications?
The wall is not a policy–at least, not in any rational sense of the word. Rather, it is a way to reify the vilification process he initiated on Day One of his campaign. It is infinitely more effective as a chant than it would ever be as a border-security implementation.
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Here’s what I said about that upthread:
My, that was an awful lot of unhelpful sarcasm to wade through. Anyway…You realize, of course, that the term “fringe whack jobs” means you are referring to individuals at the extreme edge of the party, right? (That’s what the word ‘fringe’ means.) And while you are quick to disown the comments of your party’s fringe, you are just as quick pin the comments of the loony left on the tail of the donkey, so to speak. Why? I can’t say for sure, but here’s some speculation, again from an upstream comment:
So if the cloak fits…
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Yeah border security. So passe. You are the master of assigning motives to others.
And Trump ran against “the establishment”. So everything that exists in the US he ran against.
I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t address any of the points I made in this regard.
Trump ran as a ‘change’ candidate. So did Obama. But note the differences:
- Obama ran on ‘Hope and Change,’ whereas Trump ran on ‘Vilification and Change.’
- The change Obama sought was to be found in the future, whereas the change Trump was/is seeking is grounded in the past. (Remember, he’s all about making America great again, like it was back in the day.)
I suppose we could sum their respective approaches thusly:
Obama: Hope and Change (forwards)
Trump: Vilification and Change (backwards)
That’s strange because other countries have built walls and they seem to work. The wall along with allowing the Border Patrol to actually do their jobs should tighten up the border nicely.
Yes because we all saw the “forward change” that obama brought us and realized it was a dead end disaster for
America.
It’s like that bumper sticker that you see everywhere:
‘Change? I’d like mine back’
Who wants to bet that these pro-immigration / pro illegal enabling posters do not live in particular diverse parts of the country?