You know that I literally do this for a living, right?
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That is all reasonably stated. But then you probably shouldn’t plop a headline that says STUDY SHOWS POLICE AREN’T RACIALLY BIASED with a little quip and an “I’ll just leave this here” attitude when, as usmc already pointed out…
The study was “reasonably” designed given the constraints of the world that we live in and the difficulties in obtaining data. But here’s the cute thing. You said as long as the study had “no major red flags” you have no problem drawing a conclusion from the study. Incidentally, this study had some major red flags and the author personally acknowledged as much. You just chose to ignore that.
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Shooting by police of blacks is where the focus has been in the media, that’s why I brought it up. BTW Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
You know we really can’t take this statement at face value, without independent corroboration, from several independent sources - eh?
On policing topic,
It would be interesting to correlate the non shooting police stats to violent crime rate, per locale.
A quick glance showed me several of the protest turned riot areas of the last several years - also were the highest rate/capita for violent crime. St Louis, Baltimore, Milwaukee
Of course, that seems to get twisted into: police brutality / heavy handed sentencing causes crime in these areas, rather than being a product thereof.
#ALTERNATIVEFACTS
It’s true, I remember. @therajraj was very to the left when he started posting. I cannot speak for why he changed his mind other than being persuaded by better arguments either here or due to personal research or perhaps both.
Nevertheless, therajraj has an open mind, more than most. Proven by the fact the he changed his mind when he believed otherwise previously.
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I think it likely that it is damn near impossible to get statistics that are truly representative indicating or debunking a true bias in policing. There is another side to this coin as well that would need to be studied in conjunction is along racial lines, how more or less likely is a demographic to confront the police in a threatening way.
In other words, determining root cause. Are police targeting certain minorities by being overly agressive or was there consistently a negative trigger involved with that aggressive policing.
I have stated this in another thread regarding this same topic. Indicating that I have had both positive and negative encounters with police, even having a gun pulled on me during a routine stop, apparently a case of mistaken identity. My problem with the message coming from groups like BLM, is that if I were black, I would have been taught by those people, that it was my race that was the factor in the negative experience. The fact that I am not and can share similar stories where I would have considered at least a small measure of those negative interactions with police to be in fact harassment I tend to be more skeptical of the broad brush of ‘Racist’ being plastered on police in general.
Yes, I believe there are racist police. I don’t believe and have not found convincing enough evidence that the racism percentage in police departments across the land are in greater number than the population at large.
So when gathering data, more than just the police action needs to be taken in to consideration. The citizen’s action also matters and can be a determinant cause on what the policeman does next.
I think it’s a worthy endeavor to find out. Because, if it is found that police are disproportionately racist, then it needs to be fixed. I just don’t see that the data supports that conclusion, at least not yet.
As an aside, I think ‘stop and frisk’ is a terrible program and is unconstitutional. You cannot detain someone just cause you feel like it. I consider it a 4th Amendment violation of the worst kind.
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Initially with the War on Drugs and arrest of Blacks at a much higher rate than Whites despite similarities in drug use, it was a cause.
Now it’s much more of a cycle in my opinion. You can’t just create 450,000 male role models out of nowhere (not that they would all be positive, or be good upstanding citizens of course). We do our best with mentorship however. Ultimately though, it’s an economic issue.
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There are probably 50 factors you’d need to control for.
You would need to look at the demographic spread or density over a given area as well as account/control for social economic conditions off the top of my head.
Trump’s Second Amendment stand is pretty solid.
The only “argument” I have ever had on the issue is my concern about the Police begin outgunned…not in terms of numbers…but the weapons available to people.
Again; I think his stand is pretty solid.
Re: the above paper: “NBER working papers are circulated for discussion and comment purposes. They have not been peer-reviewed or been subject to the review by the NBER Board of Directors that accompanies official NBER publications.” So, not only is this paper unpublished, but it’s unpublished in a venue centered around economics.
The author also accepted financial support from EDLabs Advisory Group - an “education research and development laboratory devoted to closing the racial achievement gap." Composed of an “eclectic collection of scientists, educators, and implementers,” this group does their best work with “ambitious, reform-minded leaders who always place what is best for children over adult issues.”
An anonymous donor was also thanked.
NTTAWWTIAOI, of course.
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This is very true.
I don’t think anyone will ever find police are disproportionately racist.
More-so, we find that the current bias that Black Men are exceptionally violent, suspicious, and nefarious; and thus, police are accepted to be violent against us is grounded in centuries-old stereotypes
"In 1900, Charles Carroll’s The Negro A Beast claimed that blacks were more akin to apes than to human beings, and theorized that blacks had been the “tempters of Eve.” Carroll said that mulatto 1 brutes were the rapists and murderers of his time (pp. 167, 191, 290-202). Dr. William Howard, writing in the respectable journal Medicine in 1903, claimed that “the attacks on defenseless White women are evidence of racial instincts” (in blacks), and the black birthright was “sexual madness and excess” (Fredrickson, 1971, p. 279). Thomas Dixon’s The Leopard’s Spots, a 1902 novel, claimed that emancipation had transformed blacks from “a chattel to be bought and sold into a beast to be feared and guarded” (Fredrickson, p. 280).
Birth of a Nation movie poster In 1905 Dixon published his most popular novel, The Clansman. In this book he described blacks as “half child, half animal, the sport of impulse, whim, and conceit…a being who, left to his will, roams at night and sleeps in the day, whose speech knows no word of love, whose passions, once aroused, are as the fury of the tiger” (Fredrickson, 1971, pp. 280-281). The Clansman includes a detailed and gory account of the rape of a young white virgin by a black brute. “A single tiger springs, and the black claws of the beast sank into the soft white throat.” After the rape, the girl and her mother both commit suicide, and the black brute is lynched by the Ku Klux Klan. This book served as the basis for the movie The Birth of a Nation (Griffith, 1915), which also portrayed some blacks as rapist-beasts, justified the lynching of blacks, and glorified the Ku Klux Klan. Carroll, Howard, and Dixon did not exceed the prevailing racism of the so-called Progressive Era."
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/
This was popular culture…and there is a long established history of it. Do you think it just went away?
Do you know where the stereotypes that Black folks like fried chicken and watermelon came from? Hint:
“Birth of a Nation 1915” and this song in 1916
Yet people still believe this today. But, that’s just to show how deep stereotypes in this country run.
Imagine if MLK had used any method other than non-violence for the civil rights movement.
They would have said “they’re violent just like we told you all along.”
Now, as our lovely statistic shows Blacks commit 52% of murders even though they only make up 13% of the population…which ends up being about 4000 murders a year. Some quick math will tell you that .000013 of the population dies at the hands of Blacks each year. Yet media would have you believe that’s all we do.
There are legitimate problems in our community, and we are working actively to fix them…but there has always been a slant against us. Today, less than ever before of course, but there nonetheless.
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I could never quite understand that one. Everybody likes fried chicken and watermelon.
Its people that don’t who should be vilified.
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I used to love fried chicken. I had some bad fried chicken last year and experienced “roostering” for the first and, I pray to any and all the gods, hopefully, only time in my life. I no longer like fried chicken…
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Yeah, but you weren’t born not liking it, or culturally influenced to not like it.
I’m the same way with Jack Daniels. Instant nausea if I even smell it.
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“The purpose of an open mind is to close it, on particular subjects. If you never do — you’ve simply abdicated the responsibility to think.” - Bill Buckley
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Popeye’s. Get the Spicy, not the Mild. Red beans and rice as your side. Order an extra biscuit as well.
You’re welcome.
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They are doing a heck of a lot of advertising right now…and making Jerry Rice look like a fool at the same time. Must be hurting for $$$