Well, morality doesn’t exist as an independent force (outside of the all powerful force you’re trying to judge).
But God determines what is moral. God literally created Hitler. Standing by is nothing
Well, man can’t be relied upon to determine it either, then. Hitler was a man.
That is seems like the god of the bible is not really bothered by murder. How do we know he is against abortion?
Numbers 5:11-31 actually instructs priests to perform an abortion on women suspected of adultery. Now the method is not scientifically sound, but the people of the time thought it worked, and god instructed it.
Agreed. I said it like 800 posts ago. Man does not have a reliable way to evaluate morality that wasn’t manmade
I am not using the bible to make my arguments. You guys are the one going to the bible.
I am using it to make an argument for abortion. Why should I not use the bible?
Which is exactly what I have said. But simply evaluate? There is nothing to evaluate in a material universe.
A material universe sans diety can have any aspect of it evaluated. That is a unique function of a universe without a diety.
That’s up to you. I am talking about the fact abortion is the pemidated killing of innocent human lives by the hundreds of thousands per year. I have already said that if you accept that human life has no inherent value, or that we have inherent moral obligations or rights, then there isn’t much else to say.
But then there isn’t some moral obligation to recognize some inherent right to abortion or any right) either. We could change it tomorrow and have done no evil to women.
I’m talking about morality. Evaluating morality. There is nothing to even evaluate.
The phrase “any aspect” includes morality.
Not sure why that needs to be said lol. But here we are.
Jeremiah’s, if I’m not mistaken.
I believe it is, overall. That doesn’t make every word of it so-pretty sure there are quotations directly from mortals in there.
Morality is a part of a material universe?
Pretty sure Psalms was written by David, or at least he is credited with it.
I can agree to this. Or at least most of it.
Your statement is a statement of something existing as part of the universe that he has no reliable way to evaluate.
Morality (in a no diety universe) is a human construct. I’m not sure why you’d think it doesn’t exist
And it only exists as each individual persons construct?
Individual morality? Sure
Societal morality? Obviously not