This just makes God sound like a terrorist though. Do all the things you think I want you to do or I will punish you for all eternity. Don’t do things I’m fine with doing myself. All the potential gray areas you’ll figure out if you’re correct at the end? Honestly this makes me want to worship less not more. And I’ve told you before that I’d rather believe in a perfect afterlife than not. My rational brain won’t let me do it. It’s better than what I think happens to us which is nothing. I can’t believe anymore than you can stop. Hence the never ending debates that are fun but don’t ever change.
Is it your belief that God is all good? Or because he is higher than us he can’t do anything that would be considered bad or evil by us? If he is the only one who decides everything why are we even discussing good and evil?
I’m just trying to figure out what you believe. I can’t remember if you’ve said before you think he is all good. Merely that he could wipe us out of existence and it would be perfectly fine.
I don’t defend it as much as I’m realistic about it. Abortion happens because of the health of the mother and unwanted children. We reduce the second part with increased education, increased access to contraceptives and maybe not telling those who educate or use contraceptives they will be punished for it.
These are real world solutions that won’t end abortion but will reduce them greatly. I’ve been saying that throughout this thread. You know making something illegal doesn’t stop anything so why not work on what does?
You don’t realize that just because you say something doesn’t make it true. You even have to quote yourself to come up with supporting evidence for your claims. You…quoted… yourself.
Which is why, if I ask you to back up your claims with evidence based on my posts (not yours), you won’t. You should really go and read some books because you come off as a high school senior who watches too many videos of Ben Shapiro “owning” undergrads.
The commandment is thou shall not kill. Apparently the asterisk is missing.
The question isn’t whether God is good but how do we figure out what is right or wrong, in a universe where good and evil are inherent, when we don’t know what God actually thinks. The bible is no help. Especially when things that we see as evil are ok provided some burning bush says so. So we have to wait for God’s blessing or approval but we never get it. What do we do in the meantime? That’s right, we make laws and come up with morals…on our own.
I grew up very religious, and went to fundamental baptist school. One of the concepts they (pretty much every church I have been to at least) really like to hammer in is that good actions only happen when believers do them. Every non-believer has corrupt motivations for their actions. Then they teach that their current teachings are directly from the bible.
In reality, society has figured out our morals, and they slowly adopt (can’t change too fast, or the old members will find a new church). 50 years after the secular groups accept a position they find a verse that supports their “new” position, or say that “of course we don’t follow that, it was from the old testament (we only use that when it suits our needs)”.
You talked as if the developmental stages of an individual organism were each a new organism. Just wow.
Then, you failed to realize you were referring only to the existence of thoughts and concepts, not evil. And, that’s why I quoted myself. I want to highlight how you skewered you’re own idea that evil exists because we can form and hold a concept of evil. But then, when I pointed out that you can do that with God, so God exists, you rightly pointed out that the existence of concepts does not mean the thing itself exists. You destroyed your own argument. Dang right I want to highlight it.
Nobody should be taking your educational advice.
And you’ve worn out your Ben Shapiro line. Cripes, get new material. You’ve already used it in this thread.
Omg. This is exactly why I quoted myself. You got caught trying to do just that!
You don’t even get that you destroyed your own argument with your response. You are talking about the existence of human thought. Not evil (God, in my trap).
You were left later trying to argue evil exists because concepts exist. I then got you to destroy your own statement. Things don’t exist because you say or think it…
Nor would people agree. I feel like we’ve kind of jumped the shark in this thread trying to determine what’s good and evil and what someone we can’t prove exists wants us to do. We have a ton of people who think they know what he wants from us but we have no real idea.