Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

That’s a problem too, but Fuentes has no solution for that, either.

Trump and DOGE have done far more to expose all of the wasteful spending, giving us an actual peek inside the vast worldwide and domestic NGO machine that will lead to people wanting more of it.

Organizations like Turning Point are also organizing nationwide and successfully mobilizing people politically.

Local people are becoming more aware of how to spot and expose corruption in their town and counties, and making changes at that level doesn’t happen by being an edgy contrarian who blames the Jews. Maybe the Jews are secretly plotting to pass local harm reduction ordinances in town like mine, but I’m pretty sure it’s just the city council voting on it.

What has Fuentes done besides say edgy stuff to grow his own audience?

I see that everything I’ve said has completely zoomed past you and not because you are dumb, far from it.

I actually don’t know why really. But, it makes perfect sense why Fuentes continues to grow and will continue to grow based on your responses.

I get the whole “we’re fucked” perspective, I just don’t think we are in the way that Fuentes says.

We’re still the USA, with the best geography on the planet, an economy that can take off like a rocket if unburdened, a strong military, a closed border, and actual political will to start tackling the problems passed down to us.

If not for Trump’s reelection, we would have just gotten more of 2021-2024, especially with open borders. The amount of pressure put on the housing market by mass migration was insane, and still is, but at least we’re heading in a better direction.

I also suspect there’s much more to come from Trump’s second term. I also think we would have been permanently cooked with a Harris win, especially if they also won the house and senate.

We can look at Canada or the UK to see what that trajectory would have looked like, and it looks pretty bleak to me.

I’ll one up the “we’re fucked” perspective. The Fermi Paradox says given the vastness of the universe, with billions and billions of stars, there should’ve been signs of other life by now. Why the Great Silence?

Well, the Great Filter theory says advanced civilizations inevitably self-destruct via war, AI, etc. Look at the universe -the stars themselves are based upon conquest and destruction. This planet is going Kaboom! before we get to interstellar travel, count on human nature which never fails.

The great Elon Musk has started building rockets that can supposedly, soon, begin interplanetary travel. He doesn’t know it, but he is the harbinger of Doom…

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I do appreciate that people are willing to challenge the narrative on WW2 more openly as of late. We’ve had 2 or 3 generations of people get the story pounded into their heads “good guys vs bad guys” and that’s it! Obviously, it was way more in depth than that and riddled with nuance. Being a student of history I like seeing people have the aha moment where they ask questions and stop looking at the past through a modern lens.

And yes, any form of socialism including national socialism is a horrible economic model.

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I don’t disagree and I really hope there is A LOT more to come from this second term.

I am starting to doubt that though.

Again, if I am wrong and I hope I am. I will be the first to admit it.

I completely agree with this, but so is late stage crony capitalism that is really just an oligarchy with a fancy veneer of “freedom”.

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Yep. Great filter is probably the most plausible theory and it’s scary as hell.

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“final stage of capitalism where political and business interests are so deeply intertwined that success is determined by connections rather than merit, leading to a concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few. This system is characterized by government favoritism, such as special tax breaks and subsidies, and a melding of government and corporate power that prioritizes the elite over the general public, ultimately leading to economic inequality and a loss of public trust.”

:goblin:

Not sure it could be characterized any better…

Marxists have been using the term “late stage capitalism” since the 1970’s. I don’t find it surprising at all that groypers picked it up.

Marxists have been making spectacularly wrong predictions since Marx himself with the shrinking markets theory and the labor theory of value, both of which influenced Hitler and the Nazis.

Heck, the guy who literally wrote the textbook on economics, Paul Samuelson, predicted that the Soviet Union would overtake the US economy back in the 1960’s.

He wasn’t a Marxist, just a Keynesian.

So, explain what our economy is in then and who has control over it. Or repudiate the definition I ascribed to it.

I will wait.

I’ve always liked the split:

  • Capitalism → very bad and unfair system.
  • Marxism → Something worse.
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It is the best system, if it is actually a free market and not corrupted.

Which I know is impossible with humans involved. Humans will inevitably fuck everything up with greed and power given enough time no matter how good the system is inherently.

Bingo.

Well working completely free market is an utopia such as worker’s paradise is. Unachievable.

That’s why even the inventor of capitalism (Smith) did not see completely unregulated market as a good option.

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Yes, there must be guard rails because humans suck.

I agree.

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I’m not an economist, but it seems to me we’re coming out of a period of inflation caused by Biden-era handouts that paid people not to produce anything, along with Biden-era mass migration that allowed an unprecedented number of people to enter the country and collect benefits.

This contributed to the housing shortage, especially in immigration pipeline places like where I live.

The uncontrolled flow of people is effectively stopped, inflation is under control, the economy is still growing overall and we’re not in a recession. Whatever this is, it could definitely be worse.

I still think a nationwide strict voter ID will be more effective than whatever Fuentes may have in mind with his wild rants. I think X may be spying on my t-nation posts because it has been feeding me Fuentes the last couple of days. He’s still just as much of a grifter as he when I took a brief dive into him.

Stalin had “aura”, apparently. He would have thrown Fuentes into a Gulag for being an enemy of the revolution.

Is this a joke?

We have printed 80% of our total currency in the last 5 years and we are still PRINTING.

Inflation is not under control. Well I guess it depends on your definition of “control”.

I am all for this, but I will believe it when I see it.

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Compared to a few years ago, yes. It hasn’t deflated, but we’re not continuing the Biden era madness anymore, which would have been even higher if they measured it like they did in the 70’s.

Unfortunately it isn’t all just switches that can be flipped on and off instantly.

There is a big push for voter ID nationwide, and if it happens it will be because of MAGA Republicans, not groypers. Redistricting could also have a huge impact on national politics as well, given that Dems can only gerrymander a few more seats than their already heavily rigged districts can squeeze out. That should be a win, too.

If you are still comparing Trump to Carter, he’s doing WAY better than Carter in most areas of concern you’ve expressed.

No, no I don’t need it defined. I just know someone who used that term a lot.

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