Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
8004

If you read history you can find several examples of women fighting for their rights, being strong leaders, commanding armies, defending their country (or assaulting other).

Just to say some powerful women figures in history who have fought either figuratively or actually fought:

Sufragettes in Britain, Katherine the Great, Jingū, Kleopatra and Hapsetsup, Thatcher, Nzinga, Ching Shih.

We could talk about matriarchal societies, like some Celtic/Germanic tribes in Ancient Rome’s time. Or women warriors throught history, like Onna Mushis, or how women rights were formed by women and men in Finland.

Turns out women can to much more than have kids and nag.

I’ve used this same argument against feminists who claim that there would be no wars etc. if women would rule the world. Well, no. Women seem to be as capable to fight, lead, murder and do wars as men (not surprisingly).

And we could say that majority of women have not taken power or fought for their rights. Well, majority of men have not either.

Ps. Also, the choice words was interesting. If you defend your rights/freedom/whatever nonviolently as a male you don’t nag or complain, but I guess there’s no options for women.

1 Like
8005

Need to bring back mental institutions for these fucked up trannies

Start with Arkham Asylum

8006

Involuntary commitment is the only alternative to letting the crazies roam society.

On the topic of strong, competent women in history, Sorghaghtani was a Mongol Christian who was probably the most powerful woman in history. She also popped out some pretty successful children, like Kublai Khan.

1 Like
8007

Men owned women in Germanic society, but they were held in high regard. Roman doctrine had it that women were perpetual minors.

I’ve read from numerous sources there has never been a truly matriarchal society, though I think it’s reasonable to consider the US one, a matriarchy enforced by men.

There are and have been societies with “matriarchal mating” however, which we have in the US, a sort of quasi-polygamy.

That is correct. There are no normal men who actually think women can’t do more than have kids and nag. There are many capable, intelligent, and talented women. And 99.9…% of men love women (so let’s get that out of the way).

Ultimately men provide rights and freedom. And they provide them because they are good.

I don’t wish to wrongly interpret what others write or say, but context is needed here. Several of these “rights” and “freedoms” have been granted at the expense of others (children included), monetarily, socially, and mentally.

2 Likes
8008

Yeah. She was a badass.

Interestingly, women in mongol culture had generally very strong positions. Men were often away, so women did run stuff at home/in communities.

People often try to generalize societies by the standards they live now.

8009

I think this is open for debate, but patriarchy has definitely been more common, I agree you on that.

Here’s an interesting article about celtic women. Some of the women rulers might have had several concubine husbands for example (but there’s also lot uncertainty when talking about stuff this old).

Also, there’s levels in both. Like the Mongols I mentioned, or like how Women had relatively good rights in ancient Rome compared to middle age Europe.

8010

Maybe so. I think this applies to most civil rights. There are trade offs, most things are not only positive.

Not all men, or women, understand that with freedoms you’ll also have responsibilities.

8011

I will read this. If I have it correct, Celtic women also had a liberal degree of sexual freedom.

I don’t know where the post is above, but I will address the issue of father authority I mentioned before to which you responded.

@EmilyQ , I think above stated that nearly all or all women she knows have experienced sexual mistreatment (please correct me if I am wrong, Emily). I believe this!

That’s because of the chunk of women that I know who were treated as such, at ages we don’t want to think about Eg: A 12 year old “dating” a 20 year old, a 14 year old “dating” a 28 year old, along with pressured, lurid and criminal activity I’ve mentioned before and don’t need to mention here. Although these actual victims don’t deserve blame, all of these incidents occurred when they flew too close to the sun! That is, in the presence of scum. I know of three women from my childhood who are no longer with us because of their penchant for scumbags and criminals. I also had an around-the-corner neighbor who was the “girlfriend” of a New York Hardcore band leader who was purported to have died from AIDS.

So with the knowledge that things go haywire, it is reasonable for fathers to be especially aware of and approve the male company their daughters keep and to take action to prevent it or mete out punishments for their male offenders (no longer permitted, I believe). But that’s not how it goes in discussion about this authority. It goes like this.

(Some) men: “We should approve of the males who come near our daughters.”

Others: “What?! You can’t do that!”

Men: “We don’t want our daughters abuse or worse.”

Others: “But like, you can’t control what they do. And by you telling them that, that’s just gonna make them want to rebel and go back to these guys even more!” (This actually affirms the lust for such males.)

Men: “We’re talking about confronting those guys directly.”

Others: “You can’t do that.”

The danger and safety some people will sacrifice to spite fathers is remarkable to me. And the flippancy with which people discuss “bad boys” (eg, “Her/my bad-boy phase”) is too, considering the seriousness of them.

Is this related to politics? Yes.

2 Likes
8012

Yes, most women I know socially or through work has had a negative experience, but most of these experiences fall far short of sexual assault, though that is present much more often than we’d like to think. I don’t necessarily trust the 1-in-4-women-raped I’ve read (and been taught) because “rape” can mean many different things and I believe, personally, that a lot of what we call “date rape” is a failure to teach our daughters a clear enough “NO.” Which isn’t to say that the men who can’t hear a subdued “no” aren’t culpable, just - perhaps it should count for something closer to misunderstanding than rape.

But I was including anger over being turned down, over having bought drinks (dating post-divorce I didn’t let men pay for me as I’m not willing to prostitute myself for a coors light), over what-the-fuck-ever, as well as using physical pressure, e.g. backing her into walls and such. None of this is rape. Most of it is difficult to manage for a young woman who has taught that being polite is a top priority in life. Boys are not taught this necessarily.

BTW, Brick, you DO know that when my mother left (age 12) I was left with my father? And it went very poorly indeed. Despite him being not a bad guy, all things considered.

1 Like
8013

I did reread this, abd it did not mention the concubine men directly. But I also have similar notions about the women sexuality among Celts.

The article strongly suggests that Celts did have matriarchy though.

I think this should be in history thread. This is me derailing the topic again.

1 Like
8014

To the topic. I’m less convinced that the peace in Ukraine will be achieved.

Russia might have just played time. It seems it’s slowly winning now and will not agree to any compromises.

8015

It’s the Trump thread, it will inevitably go in all directions. As Mussolini might say,

Everything inside the Trump thread, nothing outside the Trump thread, nothing against the Trump thread.

I would argue that Maine and most other Democrat ruled states are fundamentally matriarchal. Woke white women in particular drive public policy, typically justifying their destructive ideas on a basis of empathy.

This was on-display two nights ago when Lewiston had a special council session to get public input on our new police chief. One very well informed, lifelong Lewiston woman spoke clearly and accurately about the situation here while a handful of woke white women and an immigrant activist who is affiliated with a local nonprofit had completely different ideas, which weren’t ideas at all but feelings about the situation.

Getting pulled over by police is traumatic for the immigrant woman, who apparently gets pulled over quite frequently for some reason. The masked Democratic Socialist white woman is a “community organizer” who claims to have been abused by 40 different men.

For the last six years at least, the emotional trainwreck, empathy based ideas have prevailed in public policy, resulting in the most dangerous conditions ever experienced in Lewistons history. Only one man spoke at the session.

The smart, competent woman speaks at 1:06:30, and explains the situation quite well.

1 Like
8016

In local and national news, I listened to two separate reports on the Minneapolis tragedy on Maine Public Radio yesterday. No mention whatsoever about transgender identity, the shooter’s hatred of Trump, his admiration of Luigi Mangione, or his embrace of every other Democrat narrative of his short and tragic life.

Lots of talk about the need for gun control, though.

8017

They actually mentioned it on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED yesterday which surprised me. It seems like since they were ripped off the public teat they have swung even MORE left.

8018

I can’t say if they’re more left or less, but they NPR is still doing everything possible to shape the narrative in favor of Democrats, just without federal money now.

To hop back on Elon’s dick for a minute, I believe his purchase of twitter is going to force mainstream outlets to actually cover more pertinent facts, like this shooter being a full-on leftist nutjob who actually believes in all of the narratives given for public consumption over the last decade. “Love is Love”, “Trump is a fascist dictator”, “Christian White Nationalists want to ERASE trans people”, the whole shebang.

These outlets just look so silly when it is now easier than ever to find facts that contradict the narrative. “Crime is akshuwally down” is another good one we often hear in Maine.

8020

Forget about gender voting rights….

Why did “men” go full retard when it comes to the legal system with divorces.

2 Likes
8021

I will post anything to do with sexual politics and family law in the fatherhood or masculinity threads.

8022

They thought it would get them laid.

2 Likes
8023

Wouldn’t it be easier to ensure prostitution is legal.

I’ve been seeing way too many stories on social media about athletes marrying parasites…..then SURPRISE….divorce and they start demanding assets like the useless eater they are.

1 Like
8024

I agree on this to an extent and would add it’s impossible to know what happens in these closed door scenarios. In terms of simple “regret” I’d categorize that under the misunderstanding label.

I think 99% of men know a girl who is passed out drunk doesn’t need to say NO, you shouldn’t want to have sex with that person now. Same with drugging women. People that do these things are sick. I knew multiple girls in college who had their drinks dosed, although thankfully it didn’t end in assault.

I’m not some feminist champion but I saw a lot of troubling behavior in college and my early years in NYC. Maybe 1 in 4 is exaggerated but 1 in 10 would still be far too high.