Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

[zero1]

I don’t understand. Are you saying that the Bild story is fake news? Here’s the same story from Welt: Gespräch im Weißen Haus unterbrochen: Trump ruft Putin an – „Können nur spekulieren, ob es um Folgetermin geht“ - Video - WELT

@twojarslave

It appears to me that the peace talks are going quite well, and that the most horrific slaughter in Europe since Stalingrad might be coming to an end.

I couldn’t have a more diametrically opposed view. The only good things about negotiations so far is that Trump is smart enough to avoid the “bone crushing sanctions” poison pill that will wreck American economy and that America has finally agreed with Russia that there can be no ceasefire first. Everything else is European/NeoCon cope because they still think that Russia will agree to anything less than their stated goals (goals I will avoid repeating here because I assume everyone knows them by now after 3+ years of war).

[twojarslave]

I’m implying that it isn’t proof positive that the negotiations are going poorly. If anything, calling Putin displays a sense of urgency and seriousness from the Trump administration.

I suppose we’ll all find out soon if Trump is being played for a fool by forces more sophisticated than he can hope to be, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening right now. Not even after taking in @SprinterObserve’s belief that European leaders were partaking in a humiliation ritual by waiting in comfortable chairs.

[zero1]

Of course. I was being tongue in cheek.

Would’ve been funny if Trump called up Putin in the middle of speaking to everyone else and put him on speaker phone:

“Vlad, can you hear me? I can hear you! I have Zelenskiy and everyone else here! Zelenskiy, say ‘hi’ to Vlad!

Boom. Noble Peace Prize in the bag. It’s literally that easy

results not guaranteed

[punnyguy]

I want to pull “A Biden” on Georgia Meloni’s hair.

[SkyzykS]

I’d fall down on her so hard…

[punnyguy]

@Bauber

San Francisco has perfected the artisanal sidewalk loaf, courtesy of an unregulated army of street squatters with no fear of arrest and a deep commitment to the farm-to-pavement movement.

I want to steal this sentence, and analogize it to the MSM media’s coverage of an actual world leader trying to negotiate peace, when all others have neither tried, nor cared enough about chattel lives to try.

(but mostly I just wanted to steal “artisanal sidewalk loaf” for usage in a post…)

[Brant_Drake]

When I lived in SF I did a lot of volunteering at events that served the homeless. The most common complaint was that the mayo wasn’t vegan. Go figure.

It’s still a great city though.

[twojarslave]

@punnyguy

I want to steal this sentence

I’m just as shocked as you are to learn that @Bauber is not simply a wall of meat, but a remarkably clear writer who has overcome the handicap of his Southern upbringing.

[Bauber]

@punnyguy

I want to steal this sentence, and analogize it to the MSM media’s coverage of an actual world leader trying to negotiate peace, when all others have neither tried, nor cared enough about chattel lives to try.

Permission granted

@twojarslave

I’m just as shocked as you are to learn that @Bauber is not simply a wall of meat, but a remarkably clear writer who has overcome the handicap of his Southern upbringing.

I was always a nerd and still am. I devour science fiction and fantasy novels to this day.

I was the kid that used his money to purchase book lots off eBay and from used book stores.

Plus, some fantastic writers come from the Deep South. I’ve shared ice cream at the velvet cream with Grisham numerous times.

[SepCalla]

What I’ve read about the meeting has been generally positive. It’s not peace yet, but we’re closer to it than ever. Some want to see this fail because the don’t like EU/Trump/Z (pick your favorite). That’s a terrible choice of priorities. I think any sensible person would want this to end?

@zero1

You just discovered “might makes right” or “big stick diplomacy” that America has used for decades. Your country will always have a geopolitical master - what difference does it make if it’s America or Russia?

I’ve always criticised countries who does this, and will continue to do so. If someone beats people to death do you think you are allowed to do so.

There’s also difference to having big stick diplomacy and launching full scale war. I’m not thinking USA has been doing the right thing always, but it has not done Ukraine level massacre either (after 2ww).

Very bad apologism.

This is something I encourter every time when I speak with old school communists who think everything in this world is US fault.

When I tell them that Assad gassing civilians to death in Syria was a crime, they rant that western leaders kill civilians too.

In what moral stance somebody’s wrongdoing gives you permission to do so to? (Or worse?)

@zero1

As for casualties - they are only immense if you uncritically believe the Kiev Independent, a news source that has by now reported on more destroyed Russian tanks than what Russia ever claimed to have in their inventory.

On which sources do you rely thr claim that Russia has not suffered many losses in this war? Pravda?

If you look the numbers different sources gives, they aren’t small. Ukraine’s and Russia’s propagandas are night and day here, but even Russians don’t claim this has been a cake walk.

The newest US based estimate was 900 000 Russian casualties and 400 000 from Ukraine. Even if you would half the numbers, it’s a lot.

@zero1

Do you think the five years it took the allies to defeat Germany in WW2 was “slow”? And that was a 3 on 1 fight! The idea that a modern peer conflict can at all be compared to America stomping brown people armed with rusty AKs in the sandbox never ceases to amaze me.

Modern peer conflict. Hahah. There’s not much modern or peer in that war. You made that comparison to US and middle east.

There’s a difference between losing and lost. I’m not sure is Ukraine even losing rapidly now. Situation is dire, but critical?

If you look the war maps the progress has been close to zero flr the past 2 years of more. Village from there or another from here. Some km’s of land and thousands more dead. It’s not 2ww pace, more like 1ww.

Germany. Yes, it basically could not have winned the war after 1942, but lost 1945.

Nazis are bad analogy anyway. In 1939 Soviets assaulted Finland, because it was a ”fascist security risk for Leningrad” (afterwards prople learned Stalin had agreed to split the whole Eastern Europe half with Hitler beforehand).

It was going to be short war and Finland was lost. After a bloodbath Soviets got only eastern parts from the country. Does this sound familiar?

[SepCalla]

Ps. US or Russia as a country to tie yourself in to?

I think that’s an easy thing to answer if you look what European countries have done since cold war ended. Poland, baltics, Ukraine etc. don’t seem to be missing their old master.

For some very strange reason almost all Easter European countries have joined or are eager to join EU and NATO. That speaks volumes.

With US you make deals that still keeps you more or less sovereign state. With Russia the deals are often quite one sided.

[zero1]

@SepCalla

I think any sensible person would want this to end?

Sure, but different people want it to end in different ways. Some want a freeze along current contact line so that Ukraine can be rearmed and for this war to restart in a few years. Others want the creation of a new European security arrangement and a durable peace. I am sure you know what kind of people back which of these sides.

@SepCalla

USA has been doing the right thing always, but it has not done Ukraine level massacre either

I can’t decide whether this is revisionist history or just stunning ignorance. Regardless, people from Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq all want to have a conversation with you. Hope you have time because, if NeoCons get their way, Iranian people will be next in line. This kind of whitewashing is something I encounter every time I speak to people from little eastern european countries who think that GAE will somehow save them from their disastrous communist legacy. The irony that you are engaging in the same whataboutism you blame on commies is not lost on me.

@SepCalla

On which sources do you rely thr claim that Russia has not suffered many losses in this war? Pravda?

Nope, I rely on Mediazona who are a pro-Ukrainian news source. I trust their numbers (in as much as that’s possible in the fog of war) because they look for Russian military obituaries instead of pulling numbers from thin air. You sound very invested in this conflict, so I am sure you’ve heard of them. We can also draw some conclusions about rate of casualties from the number of bodies exchanged by both sides (Hint: it’s not a pretty picture.) Anyone talking about 900k Russia KIA when Russians have advantage in air power, missiles, artillery shells and drones is just deluding themselves.

@SepCalla

If you look the war maps the progress has been close to zero flr the past 2 years of more.

That’s because this is a war of attrition where the primary goal is to destroy the enemy’s ability to wage war. That said, I hear Pokrovosk is in a pocket and on the ropes, but I’m sure that’s “not a strategically important city” so there’ll be nothing to worry about when it falls.

@SepCalla

It was going to be short war and Finland was lost. After a bloodbath Soviets got only eastern parts from the country.

First time hearing this cope. Here’s a handy map to help everyone visualize what the Soviets proposed to Finland and what they got in the end.

[NickViar]

@zero1

Here’s a handy map to help everyone visualize what the Soviets proposed to Finland and what they got in the end.

Well, sure…but did Finland play the piano with its penis? I think that’s the real question here. Westerners love you if you play penis piano.

[twojarslave]

@zero1

@SepCalla

USA has been doing the right thing always, but it has not done Ukraine level massacre either

I can’t decide whether this is revisionist history or just stunning ignorance. Regardless, people from Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq all want to have a conversation with you. Hope you have time because, if NeoCons get their way, Iranian people will be next in line.

In 2025 I see fighting communism as a fundamentally good cause, but yeah, a lot of destruction was visited upon those people and a whole lot of people got really wealthy from it. Plenty of room for moral ambiguity.

Here’s DataRepublican’s description of the deep state, aka “the blob”, aka “globalism”, aka “Our Democracy”. It all runs through NGO’s and US taxpayer dollars, including funding our own revolution and importing people by the millions, whose home countries were often destabilized by the same blob.

She’s a really bright lady and well worth clicking on the link.

DataRepublican (small r)

[BrickHead]

The birthrate is lower than I thought.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5417835-us-fertility-rate-2024/

“The Trump administration has responded to the nation’s declining fertility rate by considering various policies aimed at increasing the number of children born in the U.S.

Trump issued an executive order aimed at lowering the cost of in vitro fertilization, a medical procedure that combines sperm with a woman’s egg outside the body to create an embryo, which is then transferred back into the uterus.”

As shown, no changes in law or changes in culture suggested. And no ideas of how young people can house families considering housing costs.

All these attempts of other nations to chuck pittances of money at women doesn’t do a damn thing.

Why Married 30-Year-Olds Are Struggling to Own Homes: Record Lows Explained

[Stormblessed]

@BrickHead

All these attempts of other nations to chuck pittances of money at women doesn’t do a damn thing.

Agreed. This just leads to more impoverished children being born for a few thousand dollars. We’re in a time where middle and upper class folks aren’t reproducing as much. I don’t have a solution and think without a drastic cost of living change then this is the course for humanity, personally.

[NickViar]

Kids are no longer an economic resource. They’re purely an expense(in both time and money). Parents are expected to shuttle kids around to expensive activities with every moment of what could be free time. If you don’t have your kids in every activity you can, you may be preventing them from reaching their full potential. If you and your wife are talking to one another instead of with the children, the same is true. All of this is to say, the culture around raising children sucks(I have three, and have gotten one to legal adulthood).

I believe the #momlife, busy parent crap has been encouraged by the powers that be in order to make it easier to convince parents to hand their children over to the state one of these days. Until the culture of modern parenting goes away, I’d imagine it’ll be tough to take care of the birth rate.

[punnyguy]

@NickViar

Kids are no longer an economic resource.

Except for the fatherless ones…

I’m racist!

@NickViar

Parents are expected to shuttle kids around to expensive activities with every moment of what could be free time.

This is why the assorted Asian communities do well in school; unless you consider extra tutoring/study time a waste lol.

A conspiracy theorist would say that the declining birth rate, combined with the (in the past now, hopefully) wholesale import of illegal immigrants beholden to their benefactors, was all part of the great replacement theory…umm Plan.

[NickViar]

@punnyguy

This is why the assorted Asian communities do well in school; unless you consider extra tutoring/study time a waste lol.

I don’t consider that an activity. I’m talking about kids’ sports/competitions mainly.

[punnyguy]

I took the lead from your lede of kids as an economic resource. (though I am obligated to say that the dictionary definition of activity is much broader than your definition)

And I just want to add -imo “sports/competitions” for kids, with no winners or losers (a disturbing current trend) are more harmful than helpful.