Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

Here’s a curveball for you all: Noam Chomsky may have been right about a few things. While walking the Queen of the Dog Park this afternoon, I remembered that Chomsky explained how Russia has always been The Main Prize for what he called “the socio-economic elite”, more or less used interchangeably with “capitalist”. It’s been just over 20 years since I read this book, but I remember being really impressed when I read it. I know a lot more now than I did back then, and I’d have to read it again to offer any kind of decent opinion on it, but a quick glance at the wiki page tells me that Chomsky was at least on to something when he wrote this book.

What Chomsky never really gamed out was the Democratic party being hijacked by revolutionary Democratic Socialists, aka “woke”, who were in fact working for the “socio-economic elite” or the “capitalists”.

One thing I’ve observed is that leftist ideologues of high intelligence tend to be good at pointing out problems, aka deconstruction. Their handicap is their ideological fanaticism that leads us to in and out-groups instead of equal protection under the law, increasing and always insidious methods of state control, and the idea that socialist masterminds who fully comprehend all of society and economy (in their own puny minds) believe they have devised a method of comprehensive control that will somehow aid humanity.

I’m still basically a 1990’s liberal. When it comes to policy and core ideology, Trump is, too. He’s no libertarian, and he’s not really a hardcore conservative, either. At any rate, he just made history today in a pretty incredible display of diplomacy the likes of which I’ve never witnessed.

I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this very interesting thread. t-nation is the best place for conversation I’ve ever found on the entire internet.

I think we all have the same enemy, it’s just that The Enemy has constructed a shield of confusion around themselves that makes it nearly impossible to define who they actually are. Socialists and communists call them “capitalists”, old-guard Republicans pretend they don’t exist, explaining (correctly) that Democrats’ policies are awful, but MAGA is a completely different and unique political movement from anything else I’ve observed in my lifetime, even if it isn’t everything everyone in MAGA wants it to be.

You just described pretty much every politician and government that exists today.

Had to edit a few times - edibles kicking me hard.

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If they were unleashed to do what they do best, absolutely.

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I meant generally. Sorry for being unclear.

Exactly… but “optics”…. When I deployed to OIF I had “Slaytanic Wermacht” on my Deuce gear and was told to cover it up. Cowards

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Definitely. Well Putin has some ideologies, like a dream from a new Russian Empire. He’s not mad, he’s just evil. He shares very little common values with west.

If you apply Occham’s razor and look what Russian leaders have spoken about Ukraine it’s quite clear.

Sure. If you don’t believe anything any western media says, or trust any video source, the discussion gets difficult. You could try Pravda then.

All governments are murderous dictators? That’s a bit harsh.

Sure, many leaders have skeletons. And there’s probably no president in US who does not have blood in his hands. But there’s difference between Obama and Putin, or Trump and Putin.

My disdain for Putin goes well beyond Ukraine, Georgia, Syria or Chechenya (even though they are tragedies). He sees that killing political enemies, journalists or just random Russians is okay, if it helps him somehow.

Some of you might still see him as acceptable, but let’s put it this way: If Biden would gone full Putin?

(which he would/could not do, but as a sake of example)

No important Republican politician would be free and alive anymore. They would be in jail, killed/died in ”accidents” or left the country. Same goes with Democrats who are rivals to him somehow. Same goes with conservative medias, journalists, scholars etc.

Also all of the major companies in US are shifted to people loyal to the leader. Billionaires who oppose are quickly found dead or jailed.

@twojarslave would have found pretty fast that he needs to have his mouth shut. You and your family would not be safe. Maybe one day there’s an accident in your boat and you’re gone. Or some thugs just beat you to death at the street.

Some lists to open up a little:

That’s all reality in Putin’s Russia. So fuck no, I won’t try to justify his actions.

We could go to the aggressive foreign policy, wars and war crimes Putin’s Russia have done. But I think I’ve made my point.

I see we wear rose colored glasses and drink naivety.

You can say that I’m naive, but I’m not so cynical that I think that every leader of total 195 countries is as bad as Putin.

If you see it that way, I reckon you’re some sort of anarchist/anti-society guy. Which is fine. I just don’t have the reasons to believe in global tyranny. I would even argue too simplistic world view as naive.

Out of curiosity. You said modern societies, do you think the situation has been different before. And why?

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About my earlier text. I made an assumption people here don’t like totaliatarinism. Maybe some of you want to get rid of civil rights, freedom of speech and see killing of Democrats as a viable option. But I still try to believe those things. Call me naive or not. I don’t believe that I, or you guys, live in North Korea yet, nor want to live in a such country.

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Nobody is saying Putin is a good guy. I’m saying that the USA and NATO haven’t always been “the good guys” either, and we’ve certainly been subjected to massive amounts of propaganda ourselves.

Since you brought up N. Korea, it bears mentioning that we made peace with them, too. Technically a ceasefire. We’ve been in a 75 year long state of war on that peninsula.

I know a lot of people were hoping for WW3, with the B2s and F22’s that flew over Putin yesterday obliterating the conventional forces of a nuclear power, but very few people in the USA were interested.

According to Grok, not many Finns were interested, either, with only about 100 of you guys volunteering for Ukraine’s foreign legion.

We’ve got our own house to get in order. We’re still paying the bill for WW2.

Definitely not. And I understand the realpolitik -aspect of this all.

I’ve just met too many Putin apologists in recent years, while watching the reality unfold in front of my eyes for over 20 years now. So I might be slightly edgy when somebody tries to make Putin as a sensible or respectable guy.

Ps. And before someone asks. It’s not just western media how I’ve gotten my information from Russia. I’ve followed Russian media too (the free one), know several Russians or people who have lived there and visited Russia myself many times in my life. So I’m pretty certain that I’m right on this.

I understand. We still have a lot of Biden apologists over here. He’s the stooge who told Putin that a “minor incursion” wouldn’t be a big deal while he was busy flooding our country with illegal aliens and sending his crackhead son around Ukraine to pick up bags of laundered US taxpayer money.

If you get the time read “War is a Racket”. It definitely is, and I’m glad WW3 looks a lot less likely today than yesterday.

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I’ll keep everyone posted on the Mayor of Lewiston’s reaction to Trump’s meeting with Putin. He’s always got a strong opinion on Ukraine. I wish he cared about Lewiston that much.

Zelensky is supposed to visit Washington DC on Monday, so there is still a chance WW3 can happen. Hopefully he wears a suit this time. Lewiston’s Mayor may literally be the only worse-dressed White House guest of the last several years. He wore a zip up fleece.

Literally nobody said this, but go on. Overt actions are more palpable in my book.

I would rather somebody perform actions to my face rather than poison me slowly from the shadows while pissing on my head while asking me how the rain feels.

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This is how I intrepeted it. Murderous dictator is a murderous dictator. Like Pot Pot or Hitler.

So basically you don’t actually believe all the leaders are Hitlers, but you don’t believe current systems (in the west at least) are democratic either?

Do you believe these states (like US) have been democratic at some point?

Ps. And I’m not trying to be rude or anything. I just try to understand what did you mean originally.

I guess it’s good to negotiate with both sides if you want peace.

I’ve made clear that I don’t agree with Trump on many subjects, but I give him credit on where it’s earned. And it seems that he’s sincerely trying to build peace here.

Correct.

There are certainly levels to evil and it is more complicated than even I understand. Most leaders in the West are puppets. They don’t hold the real power.

Everyone knows what Putin is in my summation and he actually holds the power. For me, that is easier to digest and deal with.

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Thanks for the clarification.

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I’m not personally sure about the puppet govs, but there certainly is complexity and concentrations of (undemocratic)power in the west too.

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Well yeah. It’s hard for me to conclude I live in a society with fair elections when I literally watched the city council president and school superintendent shuttle people who need translators to vote on a one question, yes or no school budget vote to ram it through after voters rejected it twice.

Meanwhile they make extraordinarily absurd arguments against voter ID, while enticing as many noncitizens to the jurisdiction as they can, all on taxpayer funds.

All while laughably claiming our elections are secure when you could easily vote at any Lewiston polling place if here on vacation.

The rainbow mafia runs Maine and almost took over the whole country, like they did in many parts of Europe.

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Well, it was nice to feel optimistic for a few hours anyway.

Where do we stand now? Was this meeting a failure, a leaders are trying to put a nice spin on it? Or was this a necessary step to achieve the Tri Lateral meeting with Zelinski/Putin face to face?