Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
3392

I’m holding off judgement until something in writing is proposed. It is a subject I’m torn on, and I imagine this would only apply to federal law enforcement. I’m against it in principle, but…

The man who shot my town up could have actually been “stopped” at least initially, by our yellow flag laws already on the books. Nobody wanted to bother with that, however.

For an extreme example that’s already the law of the land, if that same man, who threatened to shoot up a place on record, instead said he was going to shoot the president, the federal agents could act VERY decisively to take away his guns.

But not if he threatens to shoot up some bars in my town, which is what he did.

It is a curious case of balancing rights with public safety and due process.

As far as the cartels go, I think this will also be a somewhat unprecedented thing, just like most of this administration. I watched the video above and it sounds like the Green Beret effort is underway in a very significant way.

What we don’t want to happen is kill a bunch of innocent people or lose many of our troops. With what I’ve learned about the cartel, Americans will likely die if we really go after them.

Are they more capable than the Taliban? Is the terrain equally difficult to fight in? How much local corruption and support will be involved? What happens to civilian cartel informants under threat of violence if they don’t operate for the cartel? Hell if I know, I’ve never been in the military.

It’s all a big mess, but so are all of the drugs that are ravaging my town. According to some of the old heads I know from bar work, you can’t even get heroin anymore, and you had better be careful with your cocaine as well. Fentanyl is everywhere.

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3393

Okay, not evidence of cartels, necessarily, but there were like 60 politicians assassinated/murdered in the 2024 election cycle in Mexico.

Not suspicious at all.

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3394

Make Drugs Safe Again!

3395

No, they don’t.

The cartels have transport air vehicles like planes and helicopters. They attach explosives to drones. The Air Force has actual fighter jets, weapon and defense systems etc.

Many of those were members of the same political party and supporters of the President.

Those are local politics. Mayoral candidates that took a stance against the cartels. Retaliation killings for incarceration. Some of those listed were Trans killings.

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3396

So why isn’t mexico handling it’s own problem?

3397

It would be interesting but, I highly doubt anything really happens. From what I read Special forces were sent to train Military groups not to take out Cartels. There are too many civilians too many big cities where they operate and the fact that we share a border makes it too risky. IMO.

Not only that. Elephant in the room. US Govt agencies are in bed with them. Where do the Cartels get the US weapons? Many of the higher up members are known to be working with US intelligence.

3398

Because killing bad people is repulsive to many modern minds. Look at Mexico’s “hugs, not bullets” approach that was used by the previous president.

Abrazos, no balazos - Wikipedia

People who think like this are mentally ill.

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3399

Why are parts of Chicago, Baltimore, and New Orleans shitholes struggling with high crime rates and drugs?

U.S. is the largest consumer of drugs produced by Mexican cartels.

There are people making a lot of money. They are all in bed with each other and they don’t want the gravy train to stop.

3400

You didn’t answer my question.

They’re shitholes because they have elected Soros-funded leftist prosecutors and DAs who do nothing to uphold the laws.

This is an even more significant argument for our involvement.

I am reasonably aware of the Fast and Furious scheme, and everyone on both sides of this issue need to be handled accordingly.

Mexico seems to do very little to actually combat their cartel problem.

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3401

Yeah!

Hell, when I was a kid the worst thing you could put in coke was baby laxative!

Now, (for real) I wouldn’t touch a line of coke with a 10 foot pole.

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3402

No, they’re shitholes because it’s the consequence of the drug trade. The drugs won’t be stopped because that would stop the money flowing. Upholding the laws would mean no more customers. Look at the Contra drug trafficking, do you really think that stopped? It’s all tied to the system, and as long as there’s demand, it’ll keep fueling the problem.

Fast and Furious was about weapons, years ago, and it was “banned” yet somehow the cartels continue to get U.S. military grade weapons.

What I was saying is that U.S. government agencies are in bed with cartels when it comes to drugs. The people you see on TV like “El Chapo” are just small players, and even they get protection until they need a sacrifice for the optics.

For the same reason the U.S. is not in any rush to get rid of the drug problem (Customer base). There are people in power on both sides making a lot of money.

Drug/Gang/Cartel related deaths is a small price to pay for them.

3403

I don’t think you realize how much we agree on… your responses make it sound like you think I’m on opposite ends of the spectrum.

3404

Passed the House, has to be reconciled with the Senate version:

Grok says: The budget bill that passed the House of Representatives on February 25, 2025, is a significant step toward advancing President Donald Trump’s legislative agenda. It’s a resolution, not a final spending law, meaning it sets the stage for a reconciliation process to fast-track tax and spending changes with a simple majority, bypassing the Senate’s usual 60-vote threshold. Here’s what’s in it, based on the latest details available as of today.

The bill passed with a razor-thin 217-215 vote, with all Democrats and one Republican, Thomas Massie, voting against it. It’s designed as a single, sweeping package—Trump’s preferred “one big beautiful bill” approach—combining tax cuts, border security, defense spending, and energy policy reforms. The topline figures allow for up to $4.5 trillion in tax reductions over 10 years, primarily extending the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) provisions set to expire in December 2025, like individual and estate tax cuts, plus some new benefits for workers and businesses. It also raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion to accommodate this spending and tax relief.

On the spending side, it allocates roughly $200 billion for border security and defense, boosting funding for agencies like Homeland Security and the Department of Defense. This includes priorities like strengthening the southern border, a key Trump campaign promise. However, it pairs this with $2 trillion in cuts to mandatory spending programs—think Medicare, Medicaid, and SNAP (food stamps). Specific instructions direct committees to slash at least $880 billion from Medicaid, $230 billion from food stamps, and more from other safety nets, though exact details on how these cuts will play out are left to future legislation. The resolution also projects $2.6 trillion in deficit reduction from economic growth (via “dynamic scoring” assumptions) and $1.8 trillion in discretionary savings, though these are vague and aspirational rather than locked in.

The bill’s passage wasn’t smooth. House Speaker Mike Johnson faced pushback from within his party—some Republicans, like Don Bacon and David Valadao, worried about Medicaid cuts hitting rural and Hispanic communities hard. Johnson had to cancel an earlier vote when support wavered, but he rallied enough holdouts (minus Massie, who likely opposed the debt ceiling hike) to squeak it through. Democrats, led by Hakeem Jeffries, unanimously opposed it, calling it the “largest Medicaid cut in American history” and warning of devastation to hospitals, nursing homes, and vulnerable families.

This isn’t the final word—next, it heads to the Senate, which passed a different resolution last week (52-48) focusing on $340 billion for border, military, and energy, fully offset by cuts, without the tax or debt ceiling pieces. The two chambers will need to reconcile their versions before any actual laws emerge.

3405

Because the cartels tend to assassinate anyone who tries to stop them. It’s almost impossible to start a career in Mexican politics if one campaigns against the cartels. The last big action against the cartels was AMLO disbanding the Federales, but the Guardia Nacional are too busy dealing with immigration (under pressure from the US) to do anything about the cartels. Mexico can’t really do anything about the cartels without policy changes in the USA, and help from the USA (like in Colombia), but that isn’t going to happen when US foreign policy is being dictated by a racist buffoon who pisses off Mexicans.

3406

Nice. Obviously a very objective assessment.

LOL. Cry us all a river, pun intended.

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3407

I haven’t kept in contact with any bookies I’ve known over the decades, but does anyone know what the current odds are for a USA invasion of Mexico during Trump 47?

3408

:thinking: Hmmm…

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3409

Democrats have zero clue on how to begin to win back the public.

It’s awesome.

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3410

Lol

He’s reuniting the families that were separated at the border. He must be racist.

3411

You gotta burn those old bridges if you want to build back better.

Cuz #1. If you’re an hourly wage worker, you’re by default stupid, which includes math. So nobody will even figure it out. We’ll just keep saying “We respect the american worker” as we cram it in with no lube.

And B. Tip workers are even dumberer.

So there. Feels intact. Buttholes packed. Lets get back to raisin’ dat tax!
That money ain’t gonna steal itself!

For real. People are gonna have to start calling them red collar workers in short order.

These people are the worst thing to ever happen to a primary color.

Edit: didn’t realize that dashed line meant big bold font. :man_shrugging:t2:.

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