You might be onto something. Hahah.
Relaxing has a major role in bringing cortisol down and increasing T. I spend a big chunk of my summers at my cabin, and that has a big positive impact on my mental and physical health.
Biologically defining masculinity and femininity is very easy. Your chromosomes, hormone levels and reproductive organs tells the whole story.
Cultural definitions wary depending where do you live in the world. They’ve also changed throught history.
Here is a list of attributes which seem to be masculine across the globe:
- physical strength.
- strong social appearance, aka ”masculine charm”.
- Certain toughness maybe(?) Althought I know some very though feminine women too.
- emotional restraint/inability to show emotions properly.
- aggression.
There’s maybe more, but these ones did come to my mind at first hand.
How realistic or good these attributes are, is a different questions. Rarely all these attributes are presented strongly in every human male.
There is no genetic component to masculinity and femininity… they are behavioral traits only.
Your 3rd point of ‘inability to show emotions properly’ has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.
You don’t think the rest of these can be summed up by “doing unto the world”?
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These are cultural generalizations, and this is something that is often portrayed as masculine.They aren’t any hard objective truths.
I personally think you can lack any of these attributes and still be masculine. I do show my emotions and I’m not aggressive at all, but many who know me would descripe me as masculine.
Might be, but these are much more specific. Might be a language barrier, but your definition just raises more questions.
And you also say that you don’t see masculinity in decline… tbh I don’t know how you can reconcile NOT meeting your definition of masculinity AND still being masculine.
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I just meant you don’t have to have all these attributes on full steam to be masculine. Maybe if you lack all of them it’s hard to descripe you as masculine.
And I still think that masculinity is not in decline. Men are still men, at least here where I live and how I see masculinity (some fans of that imbecile Tate might disagree).
After all, I don’t really care what’s masculine and what’s not. It was nice to ponder a while thought.
If you think that in the past every male has been more aggressive, in better shape, has had a strong social charm, I’ve got some bad news for you.
What really might be real is the declining of physical strength and endurance and more openess towards emotions. In these sense ”traditional masculinity” has changed.
The average man is more fragile, soft, and weak than ever before.
Are you trying to argue otherwise?
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Physically? Yes.
Otherwise, not as I see it.
We might be talking about same subject with different name thought.
There are some new problems emerging. Lack of reading, lack of physical activity and constant use of social media causes more mental health problems and reduction in intelligence. That’s what I’m really worried about.
You spoke about soft and fragile men. I would speak people generally making themselves physically and mentally unwell.
More physical activity, relaxing and less scrolling on the internet would surely help many.
Ps. If you look stats about PISA-math scores, obesity or life-expectancy in the US, it’s no surprise that you guys are concerned.
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You do realize people can be jailed in your country for thought crimes, right?
Getting thrown in jail or fined for thinking mean thoughts is about the most unmasculine thing I’ve ever heard of.
But masculinity isnt in decline
Fucking lunacy.
Worry about your own country, dude. I promise you that me and my brothers are prepared to course correct our country when the time comes.
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There are 0 people jailed in my country for hate speech crimes, so please stop lying.
If you start some ignorant ranting instead of having an interesting dialogue, this conversation ends here.
What does this has to do with masculinity anyway? Edit: this actually shows the difficult of defining masculinity over biological facts. Because everyone might have different vision of masculinity. The traits I listed are generalizations what is usually considered masculinity. Immediately you said that emotional stiffness is not masculine trait. It just proves my point.
Masculine? Thoughts @Andrewgen_Receptors ? Lol, obviously I kid. Brinton could, in all seriousness, play a version of Joker and it actually would be pretty terrifying (if he could manage to “act” aggressively, violently, and convey lunacy). I can’t believe these 2 dudes were actually part of the Biden administration…JFC.
It’s a wonderful jump from clowns like this (& all the others, these are just two of the most outright clownish ones), to Sec Def Pete Hegseth. You can put a picture of him under your definition of masculinity for sure.
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I had this funny thought, that western masculinity had its peak during Ancient Greece and Rome. Christianity actually brought a lot of softness to how people view morale and aggressivity.
Oh wait. Somebody has already thought about this…
Not 100% serious, hahah.
Transgenderism is definitely outside of the box of traditional masculinity.
How big portion of citizens are actually transgenders thought? Where I live they are suuuuper small minority. 99,99% of males I know (personnally or not) are, well, pretty normal males. Some are weak, some strong. Some are aggressive, some less. Some are stupid, some really clever. But they’re definitely masculine.
With the softness came sophistication in means and methods of violence, so I’d say we’ve got the highly over-rated Spartans beaten as a society. We can still muster enough men to be the most-protected society in history from conventional attack. Part of that is due to geography as well, but that’s why we defend it.
Fun fact about Sparta that nobody likes to point out. They were among the most slave-based society in history, with something like 80 percent of their population composed of the helots. That doesn’t seem very masculine to me.
I do think I’ve lived through a low point in American masculinity, all things considered. It appears we have turned a bit of a corner with the Trump election, as the tax-funded public policies to suppress masculinity are coming to an end.
For an example of what I’m talking about with public policy, fully incorporating the concepts of Social and Emotional Learning, which is thoroughly steeped in Marxist thought, has been a complete academic and social disaster in Lewiston.
The schools have never been more dangerous. Academic performance is at an all-time low and trending downwards.
Again, I wish I was some kind of partisan hack exaggerating the entire situation, but it is very real in Maine and government policy plays a major role.
This is a very recent statement, given AFTER the national assessment ranked Maine dead last in academics. Maine was one of the top 5 20 years ago.
Being we’re at the intersection of politics and manhood, I think this article by the always excellent political scientist Dr. Stephen Baskerville, who I’ve recommended over and over on here, is worth reading. It appeared on my Linkedin feed last week.
@twojarslave I think you might appreciate this because you are a Republican.
Quotes:
“Radical sexual ideologues took control of the family policy machinery in the 1990s, giving themselves control over how much of the next generation is raised (breeding more adolescents with green hair).”
“Not so long ago, family policy and welfare reform were the main priority of the Republican Party. But since it became dominated by radical feminists, who terrify conservative men and reduce them to simpering sissies, the Republicans cannot seem to run away from it fast enough.”
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I can’t say if keeping slaves is masculine or not. But, otherwise I 100% agree. Ancient Greece was a terrifying society by modern standards. Raping women during war, slavery and men killing each other were not seen as unmoral things. Also the all hyped Athens democracy was just a oligarchy of a small minority.
It was just a bad joke and a loose Nietzsche reference.
I’m actually not. I’ve never registered with the party and have been unaffiliated/independent since moving to Maine. I was a registered Democrat in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Connecticut prior to moving here.
They are just the only viable party for me, and have been for the last 10 years plus. Maine also doesn’t require party membership to vote in primary elections (which I disagree with, as it allows primary tampering).
If I run for local office it would be as a Republican, so take that for what you will.
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An oligarchy or aristocracy of high-quality men? I am ignorant on the subject and think there is much romanticism of Ancient Greece. So I am asking sincerely.