No. I said Nazi ideology was its own thing and shouldn’t be seen through some simplistic binary lens.
It’s a quote from history that you wouldn’t know much less be able to contextualize.
Against an enemy.
There are just shy of 1 billion people in NATO member countries.
That leaves just over 7 billion people as potential adversaries.
It’s not that simple. Who is going to invade France? Will it be Germany? Or Spain? Or Australia?
Enough about Europe, as it is of minimal relevance. War can absolutely happen, and to pretend otherwise is foolish, and very European. They are done exporting their culture and ideas. Whether they wallow in them or discard the poison is up to them.
Back here on the global stage, Bernie Sanders keeps on trying. I’ll give him that. He’s been consistently socialist his whole career in politics, which is all he’s ever been able to do. Don’t give up Bernie, keep fighting for us workers, and the social justice we deserve.
I think, given its history, it’s quite the opposite. You may also have forgotten that European troops served alongside ours in Afghanistan and Iraq.
We exported woke culture. And their culture, which collectively is Western culture, is our culture.
Americans are in the process of choking woke the fuck out, and it seems to be going swimmingly.
Today’s hockey game is a good little microcosm of what the world has coming if they want to boo the USA for what we’re in the process of doing.
3-1 Team USA victory.
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The fact we let it get to this point isn’t something to be proud of.
We’ll beat them at hockey? A game invented in Canada?
Oh man! He should have been here when Obama declared war on coal. The industry collapsed, 10’s of thousands of people lost their livelihood and were publicly humiliated and demoralized, then by some logistical perfect storm, oxycontin killed them by the truckload.
He & Warren could have really helped with her terse tone and pointy finger. And his nonsensical bellowing of hyperbole.
Where were they?
I don’t think any politician has made a decision that didn’t get someone richer.
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None of 'em got a fucking thing to say about the burdens and dysfunction they foisted on the people of Lewiston. Not a one.
Michael Moore sure ain’t coming here to make a documentary about how capitalism caused everything around me. The material just isn’t there.
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Or what they foisted on the inner cities. They, being Reagan and friends.
Are you being paid through USAID to post here? That sure would explain a lot.
Wow. A lot of heat here.
My 2 cents to JD’s speech: it was US political rhetorics expanded to Europe, and had little touch to the realities of European politics. He had strong claims about Europes situation, which he supported with couple anecdotes.
Immigration policies and situations differs from country to country in EU. In Finland by far the biggest immigration group currently are Ukrainians. I can’t see how they’re erasing out culture.
Also claim that Europe is flooded with immigrants is strange, the situation is very nuanced. Some countries do have a big issues how to deal large amounts of illegal immigrants for example, but generally Europe is not “free for all” territory, that’s one of the false claims I see. Example, in Finland half of the Iraqi asylum seekers were sent back in the last decade.
Also, AfD is not just anti immigration party. They demand that nato should withdraw from East-Europe and all kind of crazy shit.
Free speech is a difficult thing. There sure are some ridiculous overreactions, so there’s that. But generally I see that free speech is not under threat in Europe (or in USA for that matter). We’re discussing here quite freely, eh?
Free speech sure has its limits, and drawing those limits is always a power game and difficult to adjust to perfect. I can’t see that total free speech is actually even possible, it’s an utopia. Musks X is not a platform of free speech, there are people blocked constantly.
When people claim they want free speech, they often mean they want free speech for people with their agenda.
Also, Europe is relevant. EU is worlds biggest simgle market area, Germany is worlds third largest economy (after US and China). If combined EU countries would have one of the biggest militaries in the world.
Russia is not a superpower. It has economy compared to Spain and military compared to UK. Only real global superpowers are US and China currently.
Ps. Vances speech was also strange, since why US worries about these things? We’re allies, lets focus what we have common and while having some diplomatic courtesy. Or why not to fly to Turkey and yell at Erdogan about having an authoritarian government there? (Where free speech is actually heavily limited)
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I think this was always the case. We experienced the counter culture tail wagging the dog for a while. It was a little difficult to understand how, and the gaslighting probably did make people think maybe it’s just how it is now (as evidenced by conversations on this board) but as we’ve seen DEI is over, and was beginning to unwind organically even before the election.
I think we are also seeing hints of extreme propagation via USAID support through NGOs and special interest groups.
So the ideology is failing, and was on its own even with massive support propagating and evangelizing it, and now it won’t have any gas.
It was never American culture.
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Not for Americans. Not for me. The idea of locking people up for peacefully expressing political opinions that might hurt feelings is evil.
Not in America. People like me who understand the ideological struggle we’re in welcome the thoughts of people whose ideas are incompatible with ours. When you actually listen to the case get made for something like hate speech, or something like what Maine has experienced with mass migration, the arguments are absurd on every level, rooted in Marxist notions of false victimhood.
Our ideological enemies explaining themselves is generally viewed as a good thing among MAGA and conservatives.
America should promote the good aspects of our now prevailing ideology. It is a good ideology, as far as ideologies go. It always has been, compared to the rest. Hate speech isn’t real, unless you value people’s feelings more than the truth, like the United Kingdom.
What influence does Germany exert on the world stage in 2025? Compared to 100 years ago, Europe has regional powers at best. I don’t see Germany being a Great Power in 2025.
This was not what I meant. I know a lot of liberal Europeans, and most do not support this kind of behaviour.
I just can’t see free speech being under serious threat currently in Europe. Sure, there is discussion going about it, and some cases have gone too far, but constant discussion is part of the free speech. How I see politics where I live, the speech is not limited and we’re able to discuss/argument freely in politics.
It’s same here. Vast majority of people and politcians I know are capable of open fact based discussion. No problem here.
But here the ”freedom of speech” activists seem to want to silence others and sabotage the fact based dialogue.
I just don’t want to see US culture wars pushed here. We’re fine! We have our problems, but we can sort them out. Freedom of speech is not the thing I’m worried about currently.
Well, like I said, in global scale nobody else has influence like US and China. Not even close. It does not make it irrelevant. I don’t see how US would benefit from pushing Europe away, everybody needs friends.
Like I said, Vance should have this kind of speech in Turkey, who is an ally, but deviates from western values a lot.
What I’m trying to say here that from my perspective Vance kind of missed the mark.
I know Trumps admin has been contact with the AfD, maybe it’s there where they might get a bit skewed picture of the European situation.
I know very little about the Afd except that they are organizing around opposition to mass migration.
I am as well in Maine, under my real name.
That gets you labeled as a Nazi in Maine.
American Gen-Xers are assuming political leadership in the USA, which means we are assuming political leadership across the globe.
By and large we are kind, not nice. Everyone will need to get used to that. We grew up before the socialist indoctrination factories were fully spun up to infect minds with Marxist thought.
Fair enough.
I get heated up always when truth is tossed aside. Not that it is uncommon in politics. Politicians do exaggerate, dismiss and simplify things constantly, left/right/liberal/conservative - it’s always the same thing.
About immigration - the discussion has been on at least 10 years here, and almost every country has tighten their policies. I see no strong threat to the freedom of speech. Just heated discussion about values and realities, and there are idiotical and wise arguments in both sides