The plunger displaces and injects what the syringe indicates. The T in the dead space is simply not injected. You can spray that residual onto your wrists and apply as a topical. Or if there is a tiny bit of air in the syringe, the air will push the T out and waste is then trivial. With 1/2ml insulin syringes, there is mostly zero wasted.
KSman,
Can a person skip a dose of HCG once in a while? I travel for business and keeping it refridgerated can be a problem.
When traveling by plane in the USA or traveling abroad how do people carry their supplies?
You should travel with the container from the pharmacy that has the Rx info printed on it. And that should not be older than 6 months.
You can travel with hCG if you keep it cool. There are diabetic supplies to do that. Yes, you can skip hCG, you can take 500 before you travel.
You can take your hCG in carry-on with a frozen gel pack. You need to declare to TSA that you have a gel pack to keep your medications cooled.
You do not need to tell TSA anything about other meds.
If you carry things in a diabetic supplies kit, they know what that is.
Finally read the whole threadā¦
I am 44 been on cyp injections for a few years. Asked doc about HCG after reading thread and he said it is risky for the prostate and the risk of cancerā¦
We have a āyour doctor is an idiot thread somewhereā.
Your doc makes things up instead of seeking the facts.
Hey KSman, in the OP you listed a starting protocol of:
100mg test cyp EW (preferably split into multiple doses)
250iu hCG EOD
1mg Anastrazole EW (split)
Is 250iu hCG sufficient to maintain fertility? Are there any benefits to a higher dose like 500iu EOD?
This study recommends the above dose of hCG and doesnāt show any significant increase in E2.
Iāve also read post on this forum about long term use of hCG at high doses causing desensitization. Do you happen to have any links to studies showing this?
Iād like to be as informed as possible before speaking to my doctor about this.
Thanks!
For guys injecting T, T increases from injection are way more cost effective than T increases from hCG injections. 500iu EOD simply doubles your costs.
You can do T injections without hCG and in time your testes will probably become tiny with irrecoverable damage. What choice do you have. Desensitization is a risk with high hCG doses. Simply stick to low dose and obtain target T levels via injected T.
I have never seen hard data re desensitization. But it makes sense that if you hammer the receptors, some sort of fatigue is possible. Maybe something was learned from the bro-science set where huge amounts of hCG were assumed to be better. Some docs are really stupid about this as well. In that case, the problem stems from the docs doing fertility work.
Most guys with low dose hCG have no issues with increased E2 or inability to manage target E2 levels with anastrozole.
Thanks. That helps quite a bit.
Ty again KSMAN for all this fantastic info. Took this to my Doc and now i have a script for hCG to aid with my TRT and anastrazole. Only question I have for anyone who can help, where can I get the hCG at a reasonable price? Best I could do here was a pharmacy that compounds and I am looking at about 125 dollars a month for just the hCGā¦ That is a bit steep in my opinion. Suggestions anyone?
I have a script now for hCG after showing my doctor this exact forum piece. My only question if someone could help meā¦ Where can I get it at a reasonable price? Cheapest I could find was a compounding pharmacy that charges 125 dollars a month for the stuff. Please, any suggestions?
Try mwcpharmacy.com, they will ship.
Insist that they ship dry and include BA water.
They will probably send and charge for syringes unless you ask otherwise.
Order multiple vials to save shipping. Dr may need to write Rx to supply 180 day supply all at once.
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Perhaps I missed it in the OP, but is there any reason that I shouldnāt inject hCG on the same day as my testosterone injection?
Is it preferred to inject them on separate days to prevent a possible spike in E2?
Wow, 5 weeks ago my primary doc had me do labs and said my test was 207. He has me on Cyp 200mg Every other week. I just took my third dose so I am 5 weeks into it. Looked at this site and now my head is about to explode. My doc really didnāt mention any of this. He makes me come into the office to get the shot every other Monday. Looks like I have more research to do and figure this out. This thread was great, thank you.
AlwaysUp: Inject hCG and T at the same time. You donāt want to be injecting every day. Life is too short. No E2 issue.
tmac34: Doc either does not like the idea of self injections or he simply wants to bill you every two weeks. Good luck educating your doc and donāt forget there is a finding a new trt doc sticky.
[quote]KSman wrote:
AlwaysUp: Inject hCG and T at the same time. You donāt want to be injecting every day. Life is too short. No E2 issue.
tmac34: Doc either does not like the idea of self injections or he simply wants to bill you every two weeks. Good luck educating your doc and donāt forget there is a finding a new trt doc sticky.[/quote]
Got it, thanks a lot!
Does the protocol change for Sustanon 250?
Iām British but I live in Saigon, Vietnam and the only Test I could find was sustanon. I was able to find Arimidex 1mg tablets but no luck at all on hCG locally or in Cambodia pharmacies. Iād rather not start my first cycle until Iāve got an hCG supplier.
You can use Nolvadex 10mg ED while trying to source hCG.
I do not know the amount of testosterone yield for this mixture of testosterone esters. The result is still bio-identical testosterone after the ester groups are removed.
With T cyp or eth, the yield is around 70%, for sustanon, it my be nearer to 60%. So you will need to inject more than the 100mg/week suggested for cypionate and ethanate. However the concentration is higher, so volumes will not be larger.
Some report discomfort and other issues with sustanon. Might be the oils use in some cases.
Arachis Oil - highly refined peanut oil, seems like a dumb choice
You should inject once a week or twice a week. Because of the long half life, it may take a while to achieve steady state T levels.
Iām in my second month of TRT. Prior to starting, blood work was done and my TT was at 390. The first month was a ālets see what happensā by my Dr. I was on T Cyp, 200mg/mL, once a week. Was not given an AI or SERM by the Dr. Instead, she told me to take saw palmetto @ 600mg per day. After the 4 weeks, levels were checked again and my TT was at 350, and my E was at 46.
She flat out accused me of not using the test. After reassuring and convincing her that I truly had used it, as she directed, she has now prescribed 300mgs/mL a week for 12 weeks. Again, no AI or SERM. Told to take the saw p at 1200mgs daily. I was given 1.5" 22ga for the injections. I can get .5" or 1", 25ās by Monday though. These larger ones suck.
Now that you know a little background, my question is about the AI and SERMs. Iām stuck with this Drā¦Itās through the VA if that tells you anything. She is stuck on this saw p and wonāt prescribe anything else. This is on a time crunch with follow up appts already set to recheck levels in Nov, so I donāt want to get too far into this without everything I need. What should I take along with this, and at what dosage? Thanks for the help.
First, you need to inject twice a week or every other day [EOD].
Please read these stickies:
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advice for new guys
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protocol for injections
You will need anastrozole!
Open your own thread and keep your case there. You have posted into a sticky which should be for questions or clarifications that are on-topic.
You might be a testosterone hyper-metabolizer. You may need 300mg/week to get normal-high levels and you then also need to inject often as suggested above.
I made my own right after I posted that oneā¦sorry about that.