Maybe PH threads get negative feedback because they’re not true steroids regardless of what the label, company, or latest issue of whatever bodybuilding magazine says. This is the steroid section, not the PH section. Sites like bodybuilding.com have supplement forums where you ask PH questions. 
[quote]fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
Maybe PH threads get negative feedback because they’re not true steroids regardless of what the label, company, or latest issue of whatever bodybuilding magazine says. This is the steroid section, not the PH section. Sites like bodybuilding.com have supplement forums where you ask PH questions. ;)[/quote]
Yeah problem with that is that PHs can fuck you up just as bad as real steroids, and people DONT realize this.
Those fags at BB.com have no idea what they are talking about and taking advice from them is like taking advice from your little brother who is currently hopped up on mountain dew.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
Maybe PH threads get negative feedback because they’re not true steroids regardless of what the label, company, or latest issue of whatever bodybuilding magazine says. This is the steroid section, not the PH section. Sites like bodybuilding.com have supplement forums where you ask PH questions.
Yeah problem with that is that PHs can fuck you up just as bad as real steroids, and people DONT realize this.
Those fags at BB.com have no idea what they are talking about and taking advice from them is like taking advice from your little brother who is currently hopped up on mountain dew.[/quote]
Exactly - avoid the bb.com advice. It’s always some supplement company rep trying to pimp their new PH or OTC PTC product. “Yo brah u don’t needz the nolva, just take novedex xt and teh reversitall and you’ll keep all ur gainz.”
waldo good tip. Ill have to take other forum research with a grain of salt. On 5 days now prob all in my head this early on but Ive killed it in the gym this week so far 
[quote]Gabe299 wrote:
waldo good tip. Ill have to take other forum research with a grain of salt. On 5 days now prob all in my head this early on but Ive killed it in the gym this week so far :-)[/quote]
The stuff works, I never said it doesn’t.
It is a potent androgen.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Gabe299 wrote:
waldo good tip. Ill have to take other forum research with a grain of salt. On 5 days now prob all in my head this early on but Ive killed it in the gym this week so far
The stuff works, I never said it doesn’t.
It is a potent androgen.
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lol! The thing about the OP is that he can’t seem to grasp the fact that a drug or Pro-Steroid can have both positive AND negative points, and that even with some fantastic positives - the negatives can make it not worth using.
Take nandrolone for example. It is a very good anabolic, and has in the past and will continue in the future to assist in forging large and muscular physiques - but for myself and many others the simple effect on libido (as a progestin) is simply not worth it and very damaging to relationships and morale.
This PH is also a progestin - and from what i understand it has MORE activity at the receptor than nandrolone does - with less results!
Still… live and learn, and hopefully this poster will be honest with his side effects (which i sincerely doubt TBH) and will be able to show others the reasons behind the negative press on these PH’s is founded.
(of course some have no issue from low dose progestins - i didn’t from nandrolone at 200mg/wk for 6 weeks over 3 or so cycles - it was after that point it became problematic - this is also common AFAIK).
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Gabe299 wrote:
waldo good tip. Ill have to take other forum research with a grain of salt. On 5 days now prob all in my head this early on but Ive killed it in the gym this week so far
The stuff works, I never said it doesn’t.
It is a potent androgen.
lol! The thing about the OP is that he can’t seem to grasp the fact that a drug or Pro-Steroid can have both positive AND negative points, and that even with some fantastic positives - the negatives can make it not worth using.
Take nandrolone for example. It is a very good anabolic, and has in the past and will continue in the future to assist in forging large and muscular physiques - but for myself and many others the simple effect on libido (as a progestin) is simply not worth it and very damaging to relationships and morale.
This PH is also a progestin - and from what i understand it has MORE activity at the receptor than nandrolone does - with less results!
Still… live and learn, and hopefully this poster will be honest with his side effects (which i sincerely doubt TBH) and will be able to show others the reasons behind the negative press on these PH’s is founded.
(of course some have no issue from low dose progestins - i didn’t from nandrolone at 200mg/wk for 6 weeks over 3 or so cycles - it was after that point it became problematic - this is also common AFAIK).
Brook[/quote]
Brook, I would PM but I tend to not receive them lately. When you say nandrolone is damaging to morale to you just mean sex drive? I have felt somewhat lethargic since starting NPP at 350mg/week several weeks ago. Did you ever experience that with deca or NPP?
I did a 6 week cycle of Trenadrol. I took 3 caps a day and supplemented with tons of B6, hawthorne berry, milk thistle, taurine, and fish oil. I had no side effects other than some mild back pumps. I gained 25lbs and kept 15. I also lost about 1% bodyfat. The only thing I would tell you is to take tons of b6 and do a REAL PCT. Nolvadex is fine, its what I used. I did 80, 60, 40, 40, 20, 10 and recovered great. Clomid would be fine too. The OTC Nolvedex is shit. All OTC PCT is shit. Just thought I would share my experience. I do agree that PHs are not great and real injectable test is the way to go. Much safer, but we all dont have great sources.
Alpha Male than for the info
Im not saying dont use PH’s…
Well I kind of am, but ATLEAST use the PH’s that are based on real AAS.
You can make similar gains with superdrol, or havoc, or hdrol, etc with less than half the risk.
[quote]BenceJones wrote:
Brook wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Gabe299 wrote:
waldo good tip. Ill have to take other forum research with a grain of salt. On 5 days now prob all in my head this early on but Ive killed it in the gym this week so far
The stuff works, I never said it doesn’t.
It is a potent androgen.
lol! The thing about the OP is that he can’t seem to grasp the fact that a drug or Pro-Steroid can have both positive AND negative points, and that even with some fantastic positives - the negatives can make it not worth using.
Take nandrolone for example. It is a very good anabolic, and has in the past and will continue in the future to assist in forging large and muscular physiques - but for myself and many others the simple effect on libido (as a progestin) is simply not worth it and very damaging to relationships and morale.
This PH is also a progestin - and from what i understand it has MORE activity at the receptor than nandrolone does - with less results!
Still… live and learn, and hopefully this poster will be honest with his side effects (which i sincerely doubt TBH) and will be able to show others the reasons behind the negative press on these PH’s is founded.
(of course some have no issue from low dose progestins - i didn’t from nandrolone at 200mg/wk for 6 weeks over 3 or so cycles - it was after that point it became problematic - this is also common AFAIK).
Brook
Brook, I would PM but I tend to not receive them lately. When you say nandrolone is damaging to morale to you just mean sex drive? I have felt somewhat lethargic since starting NPP at 350mg/week several weeks ago. Did you ever experience that with deca or NPP?
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No, i didn’t particularly mean sex drive when i mentioned morale.
Morale in this case is your mood, energy (to get things done/motivation), drive (not sexual per se) - all those things generally associated with moderate-high levels of androgens. The fact that Nandrolone is a progestin and has little androgenic activity makes it particularly hard on the (male, especially) body.
It is basically a very ‘feminine’ hormone, even if it is just one step away from testosterone. If you look at a map of the endocrine system you will see that test/androgens and estrogens are very closely related - it is a great anabolic though, and if all one is looking for is decent visual results - it delivers, but it has shocking sides due to being Estren derived.
I much prefer trenbolone these days… i simply do not suffer any sides from that drug at all (maybe a little aggression but this is the case with most all AAS for me).
I found that for the lethargy, low mood and even sex drive to a decent extent (particularly with the lower effective dose of ~200mg/wk), adding the androgen Mesterolone is particularly helpful… however a good DA will also be needed to get the best out of the drug IMO (ie. peak results with least side effects).
I am talking about Nandrolone here - not just the Decanoate ester, so i consider all this relevant to the use of NPP too of course
JJ