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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Seeing the tears in the eyes of a very good friend of mine, a man of color, when he said “you don’t understand what this means to me” I could only respond, “No, I can’t completely understand, but I can see it”
Now that the glass ceiling is broken, the road is paved and waiting to dry, I hope that we can sincerely get past the concentration of melanin is someone’s skin. This man Obama broke the ceiling. Without question. I disagree with his politics. There is a person of color out there that shares my point of view that will earn my vote when he is the candidate.
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This is a great point. It is very disingenuous to say that it wasn’t about race when you see many blacks with tears in their eyes saying things like - finally a black man is president.

So without a doubt, for many, it was all about race.

Since blacks are a very small percentage of the population they could not elect anyone without other non-blacks voting as well. So without a doubt a large percentage of Whites and Latino’s also voted for Obama. And what this means is that institutional racism, for the most part, is dead. Blacks can no longer blame society for their own lack of motivation.

Now with a shinning example on capitol of what can be achieved as a person of color, there ARE no more fucking excuses! Obama has reset the achievement bar for blacks as high as the bar goes for anyone in the USA.

So while most all blacks now think this is a great day, and I believe that it is, I doubt if they understand how this event has also placed the responsibility for their own success or failure squarely back on their own shoulders.

LOL.

Anyone who thinks Clarence Thomas would get this sort of voter turn out needs to find a brain…quickly.

That’s true.

So what you are saying is that blacks are blinded by the party mantra the same as everyone else?

Thomas being demonized because he is (gasp!) a conservative black man would certainly cause some concerns for the faithful liberal minions. But on a level playing field, with candidates who are not so polarizing like Thomas, the issue of race would and is more of a factor. But, to be honest, I don’t have a problem with that at this point in time. Based on what has historically happened to blacks I think that is a very reasonable response to vote for the first black president just because he is black. However, in the future that mentality should decrease, but continuing to vote for someone just because of their race would then become an issue.

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What I am saying is simply that if race was the only reason black people voted in this election, ANY black person running would get this amount of voter turnout.

Jesse Jackson would NOT get this amount of voter turn out.

Clarence Thomas would NOT get this amount of voter turn out.

All of those crying racism sound like spoiled brats who lost their place at the arts and crafts table.

This was a monumental occurrence in presidential history in this country, and while people may be happy that a black man finally won a presidential election, anyone thinking black people voted with race as the main issue on a mass scale is missing a few screws.

I would imagine more people voted against Obama simply because he was black than the there were black people who voted for him just because of skin color.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I would imagine more people voted against Obama simply because he was black than the there were black people who voted for him just because of skin color.[/quote]

Don’t think so,

White people that didn’t vote for him were probably looking at his record in senate,

You only recognize racism in the sense that it only happens from whites to blacks, it happens both ways.

Seriously who cares, in personal choices people can discriminate for whatever reason they want to it their personal choice.

But if we are going to look at ramifications, this is huge deal for black people in america, sorry hate term before amarican we are all american we don’t need hyphens.

Now say he follows the agenda he followed in Chicago. He is going to be a very unpopular person, so for those that may discriminate based on skin color will defintely change the meaning of this historic event.

By making a very good candidate frowned upon in the future maybe because of his ethnicity.

Which really sucks

But hopefully he will do good and not go down that road.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

Don’t think so,

White people that didn’t vote for him were probably looking at his record in senate,
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LOL!!

But black people couldn’t possibly be looking at the issues from their own perspective. They just voted for the black guy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Seeing the tears in the eyes of a very good friend of mine, a man of color, when he said “you don’t understand what this means to me” I could only respond, “No, I can’t completely understand, but I can see it”
Now that the glass ceiling is broken, the road is paved and waiting to dry, I hope that we can sincerely get past the concentration of melanin is someone’s skin. This man Obama broke the ceiling. Without question. I disagree with his politics. There is a person of color out there that shares my point of view that will earn my vote when he is the candidate.
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This is a great point. It is very disingenuous to say that it wasn’t about race when you see many blacks with tears in their eyes saying things like - finally a black man is president.

So without a doubt, for many, it was all about race.

Since blacks are a very small percentage of the population they could not elect anyone without other non-blacks voting as well. So without a doubt a large percentage of Whites and Latino’s also voted for Obama. And what this means is that institutional racism, for the most part, is dead. Blacks can no longer blame society for their own lack of motivation.

Now with a shinning example on capitol of what can be achieved as a person of color, there ARE no more fucking excuses! Obama has reset the achievement bar for blacks as high as the bar goes for anyone in the USA.

So while most all blacks now think this is a great day, and I believe that it is, I doubt if they understand how this event has also placed the responsibility for their own success or failure squarely back on their own shoulders.

LOL.

Anyone who thinks Clarence Thomas would get this sort of voter turn out needs to find a brain…quickly.

That’s true.

So what you are saying is that blacks are blinded by the party mantra the same as everyone else?

Thomas being demonized because he is (gasp!) a conservative black man would certainly cause some concerns for the faithful liberal minions. But on a level playing field, with candidates who are not so polarizing like Thomas, the issue of race would and is more of a factor. But, to be honest, I don’t have a problem with that at this point in time. Based on what has historically happened to blacks I think that is a very reasonable response to vote for the first black president just because he is black. However, in the future that mentality should decrease, but continuing to vote for someone just because of their race would then become an issue.

What I am saying is simply that if race was the only reason black people voted in this election, ANY black person running would get this amount of voter turnout.

Jesse Jackson would NOT get this amount of voter turn out.

Clarence Thomas would NOT get this amount of voter turn out.

All of those crying racism sound like spoiled brats who lost their place at the arts and crafts table.

This was a monumental occurrence in presidential history in this country, and while people may be happy that a black man finally won a presidential election, anyone thinking black people voted with race as the main issue on a mass scale is missing a few screws.

I would imagine more people voted against Obama simply because he was black than the there were black people who voted for him just because of skin color.[/quote]

I agree, but also think that the blacks who always vote voted based on other issues besides race. However, I think a lot of people (not the young kids who just registered) who just voted for the first time in this election probably voted strongly based on race.

However, those who say it was all about race are idiots. There will always be those whites who only vote white and blacks who only vote black, but I do not think that was the case for this election.

The campaigns of either side did not focus at all on race so I don’t think it was a major factor.

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I voted for him because light skinned brothas are back in style.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I voted for him because light skinned brothas are back in style.[/quote]

Hey, I thought we left that shit with El Debarge!

Damn it, girls were really into the dark chocolate for about 15 years and now this?!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I voted for him because light skinned brothas are back in style.

Hey, I thought we left that shit with El Debarge!

Damn it, girls were really into the dark chocolate for about 15 years and now this?![/quote]

I know…sorry,bro…ya’ll get your turn again.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
apbt55 wrote:

Don’t think so,

White people that didn’t vote for him were probably looking at his record in senate,

LOL!!

But black people couldn’t possibly be looking at the issues from their own perspective. They just voted for the black guy.

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Not if they’re voting for B. Hussein they can’t!!!1!!

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This is why I didn’t vote for Obama.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
apbt55 wrote:

Don’t think so,

White people that didn’t vote for him were probably looking at his record in senate,

LOL!!

But black people couldn’t possibly be looking at the issues from their own perspective. They just voted for the black guy.

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Did I say anything about black people there?

No you infered it, which I am starting to see as a common theme in your arguments.

I am only arguing from the people I have encountered, and if you must know I work in the vaccine industry, I talked to a few of the black workers before the election and they liked Obama’s campaign, so I asked them to do me one favor and look at his state senate voting record. 9 of the 11 that I talked to changed their mind once they saw his voting record and said they would have never expected that given his campaign. The other two said that they wanted to be part of putting a black man in the whitehouse,

So being a pragmatic person I can only go with the evidence given to me.

Now I am not saying that is the only reason a black person would vote for him.

I was making an argument for why most white people didn’t

I also know some teachers that voted for him because he is a democrat, but are now looking at some of the comparisons between their campaigns and their voting records and regret that they voted for Obama.

I can’t say I’m not racist, no one can, everyone has grown up with their own bias in every facet of life, but I do like to try to keep an open mind with things.

But I also don’t care if my opinion differs from yours, that is what makes this country a great place, at least for now, that we are allowed to express our different opinions.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Thank you President Bush for doing such a SHITTY job the past 8 years that it literally pushed voters to the left. Once again it is you, and you alone who is to blame for Obama’s victory.

And since you did such a SHITTY job, I agree that the Oceanside Sewage plant should be renamed in your honor.

And don’t forget to wash your hands after shitting… like you washed your hands of our soldiers’ blood in Iraq.
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Wow this coming from a guy who has never put a uniform on. Way to look like a complete jack ass. You think President Bush wanted our troops to die in combat? What would America have said if we didn’t fight back after 9/11? How many more attacks would have happend on American Soil if we didn’t fight back? Why don’t you take your head out of you ass, put a uniform on, and find out what it means to be an American Patriot. We want to fight for our country that is why we joined in the first place. To protect idiots like!

President Bush did the best job he could and has had to make tough decisions with no one behind him. Not the American people and no other nations that is for sure. American’s don’t start things we can’t finish.

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[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Good man, he made some mistakes but did well in many areas.

Care to name one? I’ll give you Stevens and Alito, but he even tried to fuck that up.

I think what he is doing in Africa is pretty good even though I am generally against give aways.

I think his recognition that we need to force change on the middle east is correct. Not all his tactics have worked but that is to be expected. I think it is shameful how it has been undercut at every turn.

Well he has succeeded in undermining the constitution…stripping people of their civil liberties ,fucking up the economy …and inflating government (something republicans are supposed to be against) …his middle east tactics have only worked for his Haliburton friends and the military industrial complex, which is what they were designed to do…not to affect peace or spread democracy…so I guess that has been a success too.
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Last time I check the legislative branch creates lawes…In other words their approval is required to go to war, they control laws involving the economy, they write and pass the laws that undermine civil right (Which ones your talking about are a mystery). The president signs the bills and only has limited oportunities to veto. That is part of the checks and balances system in this country. He can do almost nothing without Congress and guess what they are mostly Democrats.

Oh and his middle east tactic? He is the commander and chief, but he relies on military advisor/Officers to plot the best course of action so that he can act accordingly. This is not the Roman Empire. Bush is not a former General of the Army that knows the ins and out of War. No president has ever been that envoloved in war other than George Washington and Andrew Jackson. The rest have sat on the sideline he isn’t the only one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I voted for him because light skinned brothas are back in style.

Hey, I thought we left that shit with El Debarge!

Damn it, girls were really into the dark chocolate for about 15 years and now this?![/quote]

El Debarge? Too funny!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I would imagine more people voted against Obama simply because he was black than the there were black people who voted for him just because of skin color.[/quote]

I’ll quote someone above to reply
"Unless you are about to provide some proven statistics that show (more people) voted (against Obama)STRICTLY because of skin color, you just wasted a few paragraphs.

More people is a silly way to look at it, because the black population is a minority. More white people voted for Obama than did black people.
Let’s ask this of the group.
Do you think that percentage of black voters that voted for Obama strictly because of his skin color is higher or lower than the percentage of white voters who voted for McCain because Obama is a black man?
The only 4 people I asked, because yes it did come up, was “it’s time” I work in a 50/50 department. My superior did say that he did hope one day for a black man to be president, but “I can’t see myself voting for this guy” and listed the reasons why
My superior is a very proud black man.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Back on topic of Bush: fuck him. He messed up the country and left his party in such ruins that they had to turn to a limp wristed Republicrat like McCain solely because he was supposedly distanced from Bush. He is the worst president of my life and a wolf in sheep’s clothing.[/quote]

“Limp Wristed” you would have sucked off every guards dick if you were put through 10 minutes of what McCain was put through in a POW camp.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, the better question is what specific platform did white voters use to vote for McCain?
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The fact that he is a genuine American hero is a pretty good one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:

And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.

The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.

Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?

It is taking everything in me not to point out how slow someone would have to be to not be able to understand what racism even means in this country historically.

Someone above asked the question of whether blacks are attempting to hold power over whites by voting for Obama. Answer that question first.

Hold power over whites, I do not bleieve this. I think ignorant white people would think this. I beleive blacks voted for him because they were screwed beyond belief even to this day and see this as a way of getting a fair shake for once. I try to be a realist.
If people vote for someone because of thier color is it racism?

Then it is NOT “racism”. Wanting to see your own race NOT get picked on is NOT racism. Some might even call that a little fucking self respect.[/quote]

Below is the dictionary definition from dictionary.com on racism:

  1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
  2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
  3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

If you voted for Obama because he is black and that is the only reason you voted for him you are racist. I personally voted for McCain mainly because I believe Obama is a Socialist at heart. I don’t give a shit if he is orange he wants to take from me what isn’t his to take. I think he is a great speaker and from what I have read an over all nice guy. However, I do not think he has the experience to be president and I just pray America made a good choice because he will be test as most presidents are and I hope he is up to the task.

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[quote]This is about PERCEPTION and always has been. Based strictly on appearance I have had to work even harder in my education and my career to be seen as ‘equal’ to others around me who don’t have to put forth anywhere near the same effort.

My family is from all over the world. My grandmother was Native American, French and black American (one generation removed from slavery). She had blue eyes.

Not one fucking person in this country is worried about where my blood comes from when they see me on the street.[/quote]

You also have access to scholarships that other races do not and affirmative action made sure you would get a job before an equally qualified white person. All because many years ago race was a much larger issue then it is now. Maybe where you live it is a problem, but I was in the military and some of my best friends came from Jamacia, New York, California, Arizona, Alabama and many other places.

All of them are differet races and we all got along just fine, but I still can’t get the same breaks they get because they are a “minority”. Oh and Black people have already climbed to the top of the social lader. There are CEO’s, CFO’s, Professional Athletes, Coaches, and School Administrators among other things who are black. You are an excuse maker bottom line!

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[quote]BillO21 wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Everyone says how crappy Bush was…

It doesn’t matter who would’ve been president of the US for the past 8 years, they would’ve been crapped all over.

In my opinion, it wasn’t Bush, it was the situation.

Bush is a victom of timing BUT, he is the reason we are in Iraq. This to me is the major reason I do not like him and would love to see him stand trial.

He also did not stop deregulation. They knew 90 years ago this was a bad thing. [/quote]

Actually the reason we are in Iraq is because a plane was flown into a building in New York. Remember that? You probably went out and bought a nice brand new American Flag like everyone else. 8 Years later it was the wrong decision to go to war though right? I would challenge anyone in this thead to put on a uniform and and pick up a rifle before criticizing Bush and the war on Terrorism.

At least some one has the balls to stand up to the bullies of this world. No other country will and America has become so decadent most of our youth don’t want to, but we all want free eduaction and healthcare. Maybe we should pretend liek our four fathers and work hard for our dreams and make sacrifices for them.

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On Sept. 11, 2001, we all knew that day was the start of something huge. A vast majority of us thought it would continue on American soil, but it hasn’t. Whose fault is that?

It’s all Bush’s fault.

And by the way, Obama is more Arab than African, and more white than either. He has also registered as a Muslim at every school he has ever attended. So if you ARE one of the people who voted for him “just because he is black”, congratulations, you’re an idiot.

When he releases all the radicals at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere in the United States and they come back to attack us again, you have yourselves to thank.