Should men have to defend that they’re not rapists by distancing themselves from words like masculine, manly, strong, or robust, or denying these as descriptors of themselves if someone else suggests it? “Stop, please, I’m not masculine! That word does NOT identify me!”
It has you siding with the fanatics in distorting language and eventually society itself. I would like to be able to say I am feminist as easily as I say I am feminine and assume people will hear either word in the broadest and most positive sense rather than attributing fringe attitudes to me.
I don’t think hardly anybody believes this maybe 0.001% of feminists believe this. But do you really think that people actually believe females and males are equal physically?
I think you are confusing them wanting everyone to be treated equally with them thinking that every aspect of every person is equal.
People are going to have different intelligence, strength, height, speed, etc. from one to another. We are not required to ignore those things and say everybody is equal. However, we should treat everybody as equal as far as respecting them, and the granting them the rights they deserve.
Umm… yeah, we currently are because like you or someone else said the media is feeding off this.
However, you see men push back constantly. So much so that we are then accused of being ‘crybabies’ and ‘clutching our pearls’ . You don’t see modern feminists push back that much at all. There are some, but few and far between.
Hell, men push back so hard we have entire counter movements. Where are the anti-femanazi feminists? lol
Do I believe that most feminists today believe this? yes, yes I do. Even if the militant types are of the minority, their push is aggressive, and I see it working.
Do I believe it’s a majority of women? No but any time I see someone claim they are a feminist, and claim it proudly, they tend to share the views of the modern crazies more so than your traditional French feminists of the past.
In my first year at Harvard, some “feminist” group published the name of all male students in the Crimson under the heading “BEWARE: THESE ARE ALL POTENTIAL RAPISTS”
I don’t know how the crazies hijacked the term “feminist”, but they have.
Push back at what? They’re pushing back at the changes in abortion laws and attempts to de-fund planned parenthood, because they’re feminists. Do you need them to push back at your feeling that women are unfairly advantaged and men disadvantaged? Have you ever once offered proof that this is so?
Let’s review history, shall we? The men’s rights activists have launched a weak counter-movement (mostly bitching on the internet from what I can tell) because they believe they need protection from the feminists, whose primary goal as stated is equal treatment under law. Their secondary and tertiary goals have been many and diverse, because people identifying as feminists are diverse and have different needs, wants, and willingness to pursue agendas. These secondary and tertiary and etc. goals have included voting rights; a push for harsher penalties for domestic violence including violence against children and sexual abuse (the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 was amended, by the way, to be more inclusive of men with legal penalties for discrimination on the basis of sex); a push for availability of credit without a male cosigner; a push for insurance coverage of birth control pills, particularly as at one point viagra was covered for most insured men, and more recently funding of Planned Parenthood, job protection for women having babies (FMLA), and so on.
As a feminist, I suppose I would treat the militant ones as I do you; by trying to reason with them. But I’ve never actually met one, happily. I just see them on the news. Occasionally I do encounter anti-men or anti-relationship women. I’m sure they have their reasons, as you do, and I simply offer them my perspective, as I do you. YES, some men are pigs. But some women are, too! Etc.
I don’t believe the athlete in the OP would find this a reasonable compromise and the activist group, who dishonestly represented testosterone as non-performance enhancing, certainly don’t find it acceptable.
JayCee has this option now. She can compete as a female againsy females in a number of federations. Soon she can compete as trans against other trans athletes in some federations.
This isn’t the point, this isn’t about competing, it is about principle. She wants to compete as a woman against other women in the USAPL.
Only when dealing with feminists. Nobody else would equate those words with rape.
Those come across as contradictory terms.
I don’t believe it ever was hijacked, the crazies are the ones that started it in the first place. They just convinced a bunch of naïve, well-intentioned women to follow along.
Do you not see how it’s problematic to put your self in the same category as people who advocate for the murder of children?
I think it is probably in the details where lots of women (indeed, a very slight majority of women) disagree with the stated goals of mainstream feminists.
For example, Mrs. Jewbacca (an OB/GYN) is strongly opposed to abortion, except in cases where the life of the woman is threatened, and has declined to perform them on ethical grounds (referring patients out for such practices). (She also dislikes Planned Parenthood, not primarily because of abortion, but because it sucks giant amounts of money out to private individuals, provides sub-par services, and pays its staff a pittance.)
Similarly, the most recent controversial abortion law (Alabama, I believe) was written and introduced by a women legislators and signed by the Governor, who is a woman.
Mrs. (Dr.) Jewbacca has posted here on occasion, and I doubt anyone would accuse her of being anything other than very liberated and outspoken woman.
Same with the aforementioned governor and legislators.
And yes, by disagreement on this one (very ethically disputable) issue, they are not deemed “feminists”.
I disagree. Basic stuff like suffrage, equal civil rights (e.g., property rights, rights to mortgage), equal access to employment is very reasonable and just.
Where it goes off the rails are special rights for women, over-and-above men.
I was unaware that feminists advocated for the murder of children? Planned parenthood does not advocate for this? I am not sure where this idea came from?
I understand that and side with the USAPL, whose female membership will probably hold static while the memberships of the leagues allowing her to compete decline precipitously.
Not to me, not in the least. I don’t consider “feminist” to mean castrating bitch. It’s like saying that “manly” means woman-hating. Please stop saying that feminists equate those words with rape when I’m telling you that I am a feminist and would be enraged by any suggestion that my sons are rapists by virtue of their gender. They, by the way, probably identify as feminists by @Jewbacca’s excellent definitions.
I agree. Not all feminist goals are my goals, as not all therapists’ or homeowners’ or runners’ goals match my own.
I’ve been supportive of PP (if by “supportive” we mean “feel positively”), primarily because I believe readily available birth control reduces the need for abortion and the number of people having children who oughtn’t. Can you expand on the giant amounts of money being sucked out to individuals? Is it corrupt?
Exactly. But I don’t believe the majority of feminist-identifying women want to oppress men, given that the vast majority of feminist-identifying women have fathers or significant others or sons who are men, as I do.
I’ve asked Mrs. Jewbacca to respond, as I do not know the specifics.
I believe it has something to do with how they misreport their data and how the executives are paid. For example, if someone comes in for an abortion, (1) gets a blood test, (2) an STD test, (3) visits with a counselor, then (4) gets an abortion and then waits a bit and (5) has a post-op screening and (6) is handed birth control, they say it is 6 visits to Medicare and only 1/6 is related to abortion.
Mrs. Jewbacca will explain better than I, but it’s basically that they are cheating the taxpayer massively and the executives get very rich, all while employing doctors Mrs. Jewbacca knew from medical school who were the least capable of her classmates.
like I said earlier, we should relish in this train wreck. watch these groups eat itself from the inside, like one big cat fight (a good example why an all woman company would never work)
seriously, think about trans women wrecking havoc on the basketball court. THINK ABOUT THAT. How amazing would that be to watch? The WNBA would fucking sky rocket In vieweriship. It’d be like the WWE only better.
I agree with that. I just skimmed over a bit of the history of feminism and it looks like the so-called first wave was fairly benign but in the last 100 years or so it got progressively worse until we arrived where we are now. Maybe the crazies were on the fringes earlier on, but eventually they became the main actors.
