'Traditional Marriage'

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:

Faglife’s OP was undoubtedly a cut and paste from somewhere. It doesn’t even support his position; notice all the passages he quoted describe heterosexual relationships. There isn’t a fag marriage of any type anywhere in the bible.

Moron, leave the juvenile slanders behind - the only person it is having an effect on is you by labeling you a rank idiot. Enough.

Jeepers Thunderbolt, I’m not sure what you mean. Is it because I used the word “fag”? Sorry, I refuse to use the PC term “gay”. I use fag as a derogatory term, because their “lifestyle” disgusts me. Just as a meth addict’s life disgusts me,and I might choose the term crackhead.

If you want to debate with Forlife from another angle, it’s a free country bro. Faglife is also free to call me any name in the book, or abuse my screen name if he chooses, and I promise not to flip out an start shooting. I’m a libertarian.
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Their lifestyle isn’t your business for one, nor is anyones. And you are absolutely are entitled to your opinion, but there’s still no need to for name calling. If you were disgusted with black people, would you call them niggers to their face? Doubtful.

But then again you probably wouldn’t do it to a gay guy face to face either, so you’re probably just yet another keyboard warrior.

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What’s a keyboard warrior Jayski? Faglife started a thread and I posted. I don’t know him from Adam, I’ll never meet him in person, so that limits our relationship. But on the other hand, it also gives us some freedom- I can express my true feelings without regard to what comes after, and so can he.

And, I guess in the end, that’s really none of your business either. But, please, feel free to express your opinion at any time, PC or not.

If someone called me Mr. Chink, I guess I would think it’s kinda funny. It also would suggest that person is perhaps prejudice against Chinese people, which would be racism. The funny part would be that I’m actually a WASP.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
What’s a keyboard warrior Jayski? Faglife started a thread and I posted. I don’t know him from Adam, I’ll never meet him in person, so that limits our relationship. But on the other hand, it also gives us some freedom- I can express my true feelings without regard to what comes after, and so can he.

And, I guess in the end, that’s really none of your business either. But, please, feel free to express your opinion at any time, PC or not.

If someone called me Mr. Chink, I guess I would think it’s kinda funny. It also would suggest that person is perhaps prejudice against Chinese people, which would be racism. The funny part would be that I’m actually a WASP.[/quote]

LOL You basically just described what a keyboard warrior is. You can talk all the crap you want, and attack someone with a racial slur in the comfort of your own home behind your little computer and not have to face the consequences of getting your face punched in.

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[quote]jayski wrote:

LOL You basically just described what a keyboard warrior is. You can talk all the crap you want, and attack someone with a racial slur in the comfort of your own home behind your little computer and not have to face the consequences of getting your face punched in.
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Yeh, well I’m LOLing too, since you are also talking tough and discussing physical violence via keyboard. Up yours buddy!

But let’s not go on about it. Let’s discuss how you equate my disgust of homosexuality with racism. What TV show did you learn that from? Calling someone a fag equals a racial slur. I’m dumbfounded.

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[quote]jayski wrote:
And so what if the bible doesn’t talk about gay marriages, believe it or not, not everyone lives their life according to what it says. [/quote]

“So what” is right; the OP seemed to think it was important for the discussion. My point was, any way you want to cut it, it comes out the same. Desparage traditional marriage with some bible quotes, and you still get this:marriage is heterosexual.

As far as the emotionalism I injected via namecalling, that has a point too. Too many people have been cowed into thinking they must ignore their natural feelings about homosexuality- that it’s disgusting.

I see no need to do so. And, in the end, people vote their feelings foremost. Although, that’s not to say Thunderbolt’s purely intellectual approach doesn’t have merit.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:

LOL You basically just described what a keyboard warrior is. You can talk all the crap you want, and attack someone with a racial slur in the comfort of your own home behind your little computer and not have to face the consequences of getting your face punched in.

Yeh, well I’m LOLing too, since you are also talking tough and discussing physical violence via keyboard. Up yours buddy!

But let’s not go on about it. Let’s discuss how you equate my disgust of homosexuality with racism. What TV show did you learn that from?

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Where is it written that I did any tough talk and made any threats? It’s a true statement in general and in your case. You talk all the shit you want about someone without any fear of getting your ass kicked. But you obviously see what you only want to see. You come on an internet board, call the OP a fag and then try and turn the keyboard warrior. Nice try.

It’s simple, you hate homosexuals whom haven’t done anything to you, they live a lifestyle, though disgusts you, which is your opinion but isn’t any of your business, and just because they don’t live according to yours and your bibles way doesn’t mean that it is wrong, and calling a gay guy a fag is just like calling a black person a nigger, which just isn’t right.

And for your information, I don’t watch TV or let people tell me what I should think and how I should live, I observe the whole picture and come up with my own opinions.

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WOW, I thought this would eventually die out. I see forlife wants to keep this topic going and going and…

No problem, I guess we will read some of the same arguments all over again.

My favorite is the comparison of Gays to Blacks. I don’t see the similarity at all. Gays can change their minds about being gay, Blacks can’t change anything. Where is the comparison?

Another is that gays just want what is their right. They also want to corrupt the minds of our children in the schools. I said this before, and I’ll say it again. In California it is mandated by State Law to teach marriage in schools. Therefore, if gay marriage were legalized, It would be taught to be correct in our schools.

Now, the gay community argued that this is a lie, yet, even before gay marriage was even voted on, we saw the gay community teaching the gay lifestyle in our schools.

We saw teachers taking their classes to witness gay marriages, we saw a school make kindergartners sign a form in which they pledged to support gay marriage and the gay lifestyle. So, imagine what would happen if gay marriage were ever to be declared legal.

It is interesting to me that forlife continues to harp on the religious aspects of this argument, It is amazing that he quotes so many scriptural passages, which show differing marriage patterns.

Yet he proclaims to not believe in the good book. I did not see him quote any scriptures on being gay and how it is acceptable to God. I guess he could not find any?

I guess if arguing against gay marriage makes me uncool, I’m very uncool. Won’t be the first time I’ve been told I’m uncool. Probably won’t be the last either. I guess that comes with getting older.

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[quote]jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:

LOL You basically just described what a keyboard warrior is. You can talk all the crap you want, and attack someone with a racial slur in the comfort of your own home behind your little computer and not have to face the consequences of getting your face punched in.

Yeh, well I’m LOLing too, since you are also talking tough and discussing physical violence via keyboard. Up yours buddy!

But let’s not go on about it. Let’s discuss how you equate my disgust of homosexuality with racism. What TV show did you learn that from?

Where is it written that I did any tough talk and made any threats? It’s a true statement in general and in your case. You talk all the shit you want about someone without any fear of getting your ass kicked. But you obviously see what you only want to see.

You come on an internet board, call the OP a fag and then try and turn the keyboard warrior. Nice try. [/quote]

Let’s see, you used the words “crap” “punched” and “shit” in your response to me. Aren’t you doing the same thing you accuse me of? I used none of those words.

I don’t hate homos. Yes, their lifestyle disgusts me.

[quote]which is your opinion but isn’t any of your business, [/quote] It is my opinion, which is certainly my business.

Do you mean to say both are derogatory? Well, that would be right. One is certainly not “just like” the other. I won’t bother to explain why.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
And so what if the bible doesn’t talk about gay marriages, believe it or not, not everyone lives their life according to what it says.

“So what” is right; the OP seemed to think it was important for the discussion. My point was, any way you want to cut it, it comes out the same. Desparage traditional marriage with some bible quotes, and you still get this:marriage is heterosexual.

As far as the emotionalism I injected via namecalling, that has a point too. Too many people have been cowed into thinking they must ignore their natural feelings about homosexuality- that it’s disgusting.

I see no need to do so. And, in the end, people vote their feelings foremost. Although, that’s not to say Thunderbolt’s purely intellectual approach doesn’t have merit.

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And if the OP wanted to show some writings from the bible on this topic, then that’s his choice. The first thing the anti gay marriage crowd is throw it’s against god and the bible arguement and his post was his rebuttal on that I guess.

But to me he wanted to show that the view on marriage has changed through the years. Though it is amusing that all of you that bitch about same sex marriage with the bible as a defense, that it was origionally ok for a man to marry a woman he raped if he knocked her up.

Ok so you feel it’s ok to not hold back on name calling, even if it is racial, would you still feel the same if someone harshly ripped on your relgion, faith, bible, and god? Probably not.

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[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
WOW, I thought this would eventually die out. I see forlife wants to keep this topic going and going and…

No problem, I guess we will read some of the same arguments all over again.

My favorite is the comparison of Gays to Blacks. I don’t see the similarity at all. Gays can change their minds about being gay, Blacks can’t change anything. Where is the comparison?

Another is that gays just want what is their right. They also want to corrupt the minds of our children in the schools. I said this before, and I’ll say it again. In California it is mandated by State Law to teach marriage in schools. Therefore, if gay marriage were legalized, It would be taught to be correct in our schools.

Now, the gay community argued that this is a lie, yet, even before gay marriage was even voted on, we saw the gay community teaching the gay lifestyle in our schools. We saw teachers taking their classes to witness gay marriages, we saw a school make kindergartners sign a form in which they pledged to support gay marriage and the gay lifestyle.

So, imagine what would happen if gay marriage were ever to be declared legal.

It is interesting to me that forlife continues to harp on the religious aspects of this argument, It is amazing that he quotes so many scriptural passages, which show differing marriage patterns.

Yet he proclaims to not believe in the good book. I did not see him quote any scriptures on being gay and how it is acceptable to God. I guess he could not find any?

I guess if arguing against gay marriage makes me uncool, I’m very uncool. Won’t be the first time I’ve been told I’m uncool. Probably won’t be the last either. I guess that comes with getting older.
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Well, for me I make the comparison mainly based on the name calling, the animosity, the hate crimes. Don’t get me wrong, blacks had it a lot worse by a long shot and isn’t an actual comparison.

I just don’t think it’s cool to say something that is offensive to some. I’m all for having a good debate, but resorting to childish racial taunts isn’t right. You aren’t uncool cause you are against it, that is your choice.

I’m pretty middle ground on my position on it. If the gays want to marry, then that’s their right. If they can’t marry, then whatever. It matters little to me. I don’t agree that it has to be taught in the schools because it has no place there.

Interracial marriage isn’t part of a class except as a mention of it in a history book, but no dwelling on it. So why should that be?

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[quote]jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
And so what if the bible doesn’t talk about gay marriages, believe it or not, not everyone lives their life according to what it says.

“So what” is right; the OP seemed to think it was important for the discussion. My point was, any way you want to cut it, it comes out the same. Desparage traditional marriage with some bible quotes, and you still get this:marriage is heterosexual.

As far as the emotionalism I injected via namecalling, that has a point too. Too many people have been cowed into thinking they must ignore their natural feelings about homosexuality- that it’s disgusting.

I see no need to do so. And, in the end, people vote their feelings foremost. Although, that’s not to say Thunderbolt’s purely intellectual approach doesn’t have merit.

And if the OP wanted to show some writings from the bible on this topic, then that’s his choice. The first thing the anti gay marriage crowd is throw it’s against god and the bible arguement and his post was his rebuttal on that I guess.[/quote]

No offense Jayski, but use the preview function first and check your grammar. I can’t understand what you mean here.

Yes, of course that’s what he was trying to do. But that’s not all he did with his bible quoting.

You must explain why calling someone a fag is a racial slur if you expect me to continue this discussion with you.

I would feel sorry for them and pity them. That’s all.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:

LOL You basically just described what a keyboard warrior is. You can talk all the crap you want, and attack someone with a racial slur in the comfort of your own home behind your little computer and not have to face the consequences of getting your face punched in.

Yeh, well I’m LOLing too, since you are also talking tough and discussing physical violence via keyboard. Up yours buddy!

But let’s not go on about it. Let’s discuss how you equate my disgust of homosexuality with racism. What TV show did you learn that from?

Where is it written that I did any tough talk and made any threats? It’s a true statement in general and in your case. You talk all the shit you want about someone without any fear of getting your ass kicked.

But you obviously see what you only want to see. You come on an internet board, call the OP a fag and then try and turn the keyboard warrior. Nice try.

Let’s see, you used the words “crap” “punched” and “shit” in your response to me. Aren’t you doing the same thing you accuse me of? I used none of those words.

It’s simple, you hate homosexuals whom haven’t done anything to you, they live a lifestyle, though disgusts you,
I don’t hate homos. Yes, their lifestyle disgusts me.

which is your opinion but isn’t any of your business, It is my opinion, which is certainly my business.

and calling a gay guy a fag is just like calling a black person a nigger
Do you mean to say both are derogatory? Well, that would be right. One is certainly not “just like” the other. I won’t bother to explain why.

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Ok, so using crap, shit and punched is the same thing as calling a homosexual a fag? You’re the one who’s calling forlife “faglife”, I simply said things that are part of every day vocabulary. Again, nice try, but you have no arguement here.

Yes, your opinion is your business, but I didn’t put that sentence in clearly, my bad, it’s late and my sentences are getting sloppy. Their lifestyle isn’t your business was what I intended to write.

You don’t need to explain anything. When you call a gay person a fag, to them it is very derogatory, just like calling a black person a nigger. You, me and everyone else may not think it’s the same, but that doens’t make us right.

As I just wrote on my previous post, I don’t think what the gays are going through are the same at all, I just think that a debate can be done without the “derogatory” name calling.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
And so what if the bible doesn’t talk about gay marriages, believe it or not, not everyone lives their life according to what it says.

“So what” is right; the OP seemed to think it was important for the discussion. My point was, any way you want to cut it, it comes out the same. Desparage traditional marriage with some bible quotes, and you still get this:marriage is heterosexual.

As far as the emotionalism I injected via namecalling, that has a point too. Too many people have been cowed into thinking they must ignore their natural feelings about homosexuality- that it’s disgusting.

I see no need to do so. And, in the end, people vote their feelings foremost. Although, that’s not to say Thunderbolt’s purely intellectual approach doesn’t have merit.

And if the OP wanted to show some writings from the bible on this topic, then that’s his choice. The first thing the anti gay marriage crowd is throw it’s against god and the bible arguement and his post was his rebuttal on that I guess.

No offense Jayski, but use the preview function first and check your grammar. I can’t understand what you mean here.

But to me he wanted to show that the view on marriage has changed through the years. Though it is amusing that all of you that bitch about same sex marriage with the bible as a defense, that it was origionally ok for a man to marry a woman he raped if he knocked her up.

Yes, of course that’s what he was trying to do. But that’s not all he did with his bible quoting.

Ok so you feel it’s ok to not hold back on name calling, even if it is racial,
You must explain why calling someone a fag is a racial slur if you expect me to continue this discussion with you.

would you still feel the same if someone harshly ripped on your relgion, faith, bible, and god? Probably not.

I would feel sorry for them and pity them. That’s all.[/quote]

Ok, I do agree, my sentences are getting very crappy. My apolgies.

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[quote]jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
I just think that a debate can be done without the “derogatory” name calling.
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I am not debating with Faglife, people have been debating him over the same issue for several threads now. I personally don’t see the point any more. Rather, I am registering my disgust. It is fine with me if you think injecting derogatory terms inappropriate. You should debate as you see fit. I welcome all opinions, whether or not they are colored by verbal abuse.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
jayski wrote:
Mr. Chen wrote:
I just think that a debate can be done without the “derogatory” name calling.

I am not debating with Faglife, people have been debating him over the same issue for several threads now. I personally don’t see the point any more. Rather, I am registering my disgust. It is fine with me if you think injecting derogatory terms inappropriate. You should debate as you see fit. I welcome all opinions, whether or not they are colored by verbal abuse. [/quote]

Ok, fair enough.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
meth isn’t crack broski.[/quote]
I did slip up there. Yes yes, I do believe accuracy is important, whether in honest debate, or in abusive namecalling.

Probably you weren’t looking for or reply, but I don’t want you to think I don’t appreciate it.

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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

Jeepers Thunderbolt, I’m not sure what you mean. Sorry, I refuse to use the PC term “gay”. Just as a meth addict’s life disgusts me,and I might choose the term crackhead.

If you want to debate with Forlife from another angle, it’s a free country bro. [/quote]

Argue any angle you want, but resorting to the term “fag” is stupid, disrespectful, and it reflects more on you than any person you are trying to slander.

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I agree name calling is for children. And in all actuality, children should not do it either. It is ridiculous and does show a lack of maturity and education.

I also agree that we should not have to worry about gay marriage being taught in schools. We should not have to worry about any type of marriage being taught in schools, because it is a subject that should be taught and discussed by parents, with their children IN THEIR OWN HOMES. So should Sex Education and a vast number of other subjects, that are being taught in schools today. But, that should be the subject of another thread.

Finally, I do find it irritating that Religion is looked upon with so much of a negative light. There is room for the religious argument. I am astounded by the ease, in which religion is dismissed as being uninformed, or a hokie tradition. But, believe it or not there are those, who actually believe in God, The Bible, Book of Mormon, Quran, or whatever other religious books they want to claim. I personally do not agree with all religious persuasions out there, in fact some of them worry me a great deal but I’m not going to discount another persons beliefs, and if asked, I will answer their questions.

I’m not claiming to be perfect, or all knowing, or that I have the answers to all of life’s many questions, but I will talk about it, and attempt to find the answer, and most of the time, I won’t resort to name calling.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
WOOOHOOO!!! Lets hate us some Christians! Lets twist isolated out of context passages into whatever we agree with. Let’s label all Christians as close minded idiots.
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I referred to fundamentalist Christians who take every word of the bible literally and selectively ignore the contextual and cultural constraints, not to all Christians.

Just to clarify, the bold part of my post was from another author. My comments were a prelude to that.

If you think the author was “twisting isolated out of context passages”, how about backing it up with proof? Are you claiming that marriage between one man and one woman is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the bible?