[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I can not believe The Republican Party or the Democrat Party can capture so many people’s opinion so perfectly , eye roll . Trump is the only one that got it right , fuck the Republican Party and the democrats too , loyalty should be to America and this whole notion that the Republicans are more conservative than the democrats is ludicrous . Some one has taken the term Theocrat and exchanged that along with war mongering, pro wealth, anti poor to mean “CONSERVATIVE” conserve is the base word
con�??�??�??�??�??�?�·serve
verb
verb: conserve; 3rd person present: conserves; past tense: conserved; past participle: conserved; gerund or present participle: conserving
kənˈsərv/
1.
protect (something, especially an environmentally or culturally important place or thing) from harm or destruction.
"the funds raised will help conserve endangered meadowlands"
prevent the wasteful or harmful overuse of (a resource).
"industry should conserve more water"
synonyms: preserve, protect, save, safeguard, keep, look after; More
sustain, prolong, perpetuate;
store, reserve, husband
"fossil fuel should be conserved"
antonyms: squander
Physics
maintain (a quantity such as energy or mass) at a constant overall total.
Biochemistry
retain (a particular amino acid, nucleotide, or sequence of these) unchanged in different protein or DNA molecules.
preserve (food, typically fruit) with sugar.
noun
noun: conserve; plural noun: conserves
ˈkÃ???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¤nˌsərv,kənˈsərv/
1.
a sweet food made by preserving fruit with sugar; jam.
synonyms: jam, preserve, jelly, marmalade
"cherry conserve"
then you add the suffix ative such as
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Cooperative
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It does not change the definition just because the Republicans or the Democrats say it does
Conserve in the political realm is a fiscal term , nothing more , I know:) fuck you anyhow
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No, “conservative,” in the political realm(in today’s USA), means something like, “One who wishes to keep things as they are, or perhaps as they were under the last Republican in the position in question.” “Liberal,” politically(in today’s USA), means, “One who wants to ensure that the government continues growing during the next term.” “Third party voter”(in today’s USA) means, “One who does not agree with the direction in which the country is headed but wants to give his stamp of approval to the process that has taken it there anyway.” There is talk of mandating voting. Now that suffrage is so widespread that it has no value, tell me which strategy is most effective.[/quote]
I can buy conserving status quo , but the term came about by conserving money.
The most effective conservative in my opinion would be one that progesses in policy to adapt to changing circumstances . So by definition a progressive conservative
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No the political meaning of conservative did not come about with regards to preserving money. The origins of modern conservativism is found in the American and French revolution. What became known as conservatives where the more moderate liberals from that period, like Edmund Burke( Was member of the Whig party and wrote a book about the french revolution ) in England or like John Adams in America. In contrast you had the more radical liberals like the Jacobins in France and Thomas Pain in America. Edmund Burke who is often credited for being the father of modern conservativism, held such liberal positions like defending the colonist’s in the revolutionary war, ending colonial rule in India. What he wanted to preserve was the British constitution and order of things going back to the glorius revolution.
The actual conservatives in the late 18th century where the ones who wanted to preserve the old order of things, like the tories in the american revolution and the monarchists in the french. They are often called reactionary today. In conclusion Conservative from the 19th century onward really ment classical liberal.
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I personally would not debate the length of time the word conservative has been in use in the political realm . My point is that it has been bastardized .
And it is growing more so .
The word Conserve predates any political application . Conservative today is what ever you want to call it. Jesus is a Conservative value even if Jesus costs a lot of money . War is a Conservative value even if it conserves nothing .
Liberals were free men . Period they morphed through out time now they do not even resemble a free man .
Middle English: via Old French from Latin liberalis, from liber â??free (man).â?? The original sense was â??suitable for a free man,â?? hence â??suitable for a gentlemanâ?? (one not tied to a trade), surviving in liberal arts . Another early sense, â??generousâ?? (sense 4 of the adjective), gave rise to an obsolete meaning â??free from restraint,â?? leading to sense 1 of the adjective (late 18th century).
