Wrong. The bottom line is we are no a Christian nation and the reason we have so many different Protestant denominations is a testament to our seperation of church and state.[/quote]
Learn how to read. I didn’t for a second suggest that there is any First Amendment implications to the Constitution mentioning ‘our Lord’. I never said or promoted anything about tearing down the separation between church and state.
I said that the document mentions a Deity - which it does. No more, no less. Stop wasting my time with poorly constructed strawmen.
There is no liberal media ~Agree
Liberals are not traitors ~Agree
We are not a Chritian nation ~Agree, regardless of the constitutions wording, stop argueing symantics people
Conservatives are traitors ~Disagree. Regualr conservatives have plenty to offer.
The biggest problem in this country is the left or right mindedness. You have to be a red-neck, shotgun totin’, conservative, war hawk, anti-gay, super christian, WASP, oil wasting, enviroment killing basterd, OR and hippy, economy killing, tree huggin’, peace dove, america hatin’, pro-abortion (haha no such thing XP), pro-gay, atheist, liberal pussy.
There is no representitive for the middle ground. the centrists, who may lean left or right, but have similar views.
Myth: Americans are either leftists or rightists.
Fact: Most Americans are too uneducated to make a good choice anyway. Many vote purly on moral/ethical issues, like gya rights (for or against), enviromental issues, and abortion. If we all really understood what the politicians were coming up with (not saying per say, but acting upon) most would probably realize that everyone’s either to extreme, or much more corrupted than they appear. Most people fall on a middle ground, and though they may lean left or right, few Americans even approach the true extremism blasted about by there respective parties.
We need a moderate-conservative voice.
We need a moderate liberal voice.
We need a centrist voice.
An Athiest voice.
A religious voice.
A voice for those who don’t give a damn about religion/nonreligion.
America is all about having a voice, but few of us actually do.
Sure, we have a vote, but that vote is useless unless there is a candidate who is perfect for us. Don’t even try telling me that one of the two prominent candidates for most offices’ followers have exact copies of that persons political views, wishes, and acts.
The principles of Christian morality are a major part of the foundations of this country. This is what is meant, when the US is described as a Christian nation.
Considering all the other religions in the world, I’m glad I live in a nation founded upon Christian principles.
The statistics comparing the United States with other countries leave out the following:
(1) These are generally small homogenous countries, that are economically well-off. Why is Rwanda not in the list? Its the poorest fucking country on the planet! Small bastions of wealth will have a better life.
(2) Those countries don’t need to expend resources to protect themselves and police a violent globe. Let them pony up their share for the US Navy, which patrols the seas. Let 'em pony up to support our Marines, which protect their happy little enclaves. Then see what happen to all their wonderful life! Hey, it might look like America!!
[quote]ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?
HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.
Seriously, stop avoiding the question.
There is no future for America. Our empire will fall. I say Aid third world countries, because if it wasnt for our military power we would be fucked. They have the will
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lol you sound like a person who was to fat to get in the marines and any other branch so know at every chance you make fun of the America bc America really dosnt want you or need another cry baby
[quote]100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Considering all the other religions in the world, I’m glad I live in a nation founded upon Christian principles.
HH
Factually, it isn’t, but you could still be glad, I guess.
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Okay, what IS it founded upon? You do realize that, when the country was founded, that the overwhelming percentage of people here were (and still are) Christians? Did they convince the populace to join the revolution, so they could engage in devil worship?
This is a Christian country. The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Considering all the other religions in the world, I’m glad I live in a nation founded upon Christian principles.
HH
Factually, it isn’t, but you could still be glad, I guess.
Okay, what IS it founded upon? You do realize that, when the country was founded, that the overwhelming percentage of people here were (and still are) Christians? Did they convince the populace to join the revolution, so they could engage in devil worship?
This is a Christian country. The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.
HH
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Does Christ not call upon you to proselytize? Isn’t that one of your basic obligations as a Christian?
[quote]doogie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Considering all the other religions in the world, I’m glad I live in a nation founded upon Christian principles.
HH
Factually, it isn’t, but you could still be glad, I guess.
Okay, what IS it founded upon? You do realize that, when the country was founded, that the overwhelming percentage of people here were (and still are) Christians? Did they convince the populace to join the revolution, so they could engage in devil worship?
This is a Christian country. The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.
HH
Does Christ not call upon you to proselytize? Isn’t that one of your basic obligations as a Christian?[/quote]
No he doesn’t call me to do that, perhaps evangelize…I believe the priority is loving one another…
But still this country wasn’t founded on christian principles as stated by our own government in that time.
Colonies and then states…yeah they’re founded on christian principles, but not the united states.
Does Christ not call upon you to proselytize? Isn’t that one of your basic obligations as a Christian?
What does that have to do with the thread? You’ve lost me here, Doogs.
HH
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You claim this country was founded on Christian principles.
You also said, “The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.”
Since one of the main principles of Christianity is a call to proselytize, we can’t have both a government based on Christian principles AND one that leaves us alone.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Considering all the other religions in the world, I’m glad I live in a nation founded upon Christian principles.
HH
Factually, it isn’t, but you could still be glad, I guess.
Okay, what IS it founded upon? You do realize that, when the country was founded, that the overwhelming percentage of people here were (and still are) Christians? Did they convince the populace to join the revolution, so they could engage in devil worship?
This is a Christian country. The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.
HH
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Let’s see the fathers say it wasn’t, The main authors weren’t and and an unanomous senate said the united states wasn’t founded on christian principles…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Okay, what IS it founded upon? You do realize that, when the country was founded, that the overwhelming percentage of people here were (and still are) Christians? Did they convince the populace to join the revolution, so they could engage in devil worship?[/quote]
This country is founded upon the false premise of freedom and representation, not christianity. Neither really exist but the promises of both is what garnered support for the revolution.
And overwhelming majority doesn’t equate into special rights or government support. Any reference to God in early documents is a generic term for a myriad of deities that one may worship.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:This is a Christian country. The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.
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Did you just refer to liberals as “evildoers”?!?!?!?!?!?! LOLOLOL
[quote]hazarddude334 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?
HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.
Seriously, stop avoiding the question.
There is no future for America. Our empire will fall. I say Aid third world countries, because if it wasnt for our military power we would be fucked. They have the will
lol you sound like a person who was to fat to get in the marines and any other branch so know at every chance you make fun of the America bc America really dosnt want you or need another cry baby[/quote]
Does Christ not call upon you to proselytize? Isn’t that one of your basic obligations as a Christian?
What does that have to do with the thread? You’ve lost me here, Doogs.
HH
You claim this country was founded on Christian principles.
You also said, “The FFs took those principles and tried to create a government that would leave its populace alone. The libs, communists, and other evildoers don’t WANT to leave the people alone, so we get this bullshit of today.”
Since one of the main principles of Christianity is a call to proselytize, we can’t have both a government based on Christian principles AND one that leaves us alone.[/quote]
“Do unto others as you’d have done unto you.” The FFs understood that principle and implemented it. They further realized that not everyone holds true to their faith and may abuse others, by creating a powerful government (as the lib-fascists have done). They made the government answerable to the principle: if you abuse others, they can ‘abuse’ you, by removing you from office. (the contrapositive of the above principle)
You guys really don’t understand the very principles of the country you live in. That is very sad.
And yes, libs (by creating a powerful government over the past 70 or so years) are evildoers.
“Do unto others as you’d have done unto you.” The FFs understood that principle and implemented it. [/quote]
In no way is that a Christian principle. It is a principle of ALL religions and just plain decency. It was around long before Christ.
History
* 1970 - 1640s BCE "This is an ordinance: Act for the man who acts, to cause him to act. This is thanking him for what he does." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant In line B1 142 page 64 of The Tale of Sinuhe and Other Ancient Egyptian Poems, tr. R.B. Parkinson OUP.
* ~1280 BCE - 650 BCE "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." - Moses, Tanakh, new JPS translation, Leviticus (Leviticus 19:18), Judaism.
* ~700 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5, Zoroastrianism.
* ? BCE "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." - Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29, Zoroastrianism.
* ~500 BCE "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5:18, Buddhism.
* ~500 BCE "The Sage...makes the self of the people his self." Tao Te Ching Ch 49, tr. Ch'u Ta-Kao, Unwin Paperbacks, 1976. Daoism
* ~500 BCE "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others." Analects of Confucius 15:24, Confucianism, tr. James Legge.[1]
* ~500 BCE "Now the man of perfect virtue, wishing to be established himself, seeks also to establish others; wishing to be enlarged himself, he seeks also to enlarge others. To be able to judge of others by what is near in ourselves; this may be called the art of virtue." Analects of Confucius 6:30, Confucianism, tr. James Legge. [2]
* ~500 BCE "one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life [is] reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire." - Doctrine of the Mean 13.3, Confucianism.
* ~500 BCE "Therefore, neither does he cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." - Acarangasutra 5.101-2, Jainism.
* ~300 BCE "One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire." - Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva 113.8, Hinduism [3]
* ~180 BCE "What you hate, do not do to anyone." - Deuterocanonical Bible, NRSV, Tobit 4:15, Roman Catholic Church and Judaism.
* ~150 BCE "This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you." - Mahabharata 5:1517, Brahmanism and Hinduism.
* ~100 CE "What you feel painful to yourself, do not do to others." - Tiruvalluvar, Tirukkural 316.
* ~100 CE "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." - Hillel the Elder; Talmud, Shabbat 31a, Judaism.
* ~30 CE "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets." Jesus- Sermon on the Mount, Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 7:12 NIV), Christianity
* ~100 CE "What you would avoid suffering yourself, seek not to impose on others." - Epictetus.
* 1785: Kant says: "Act as if the maxim of thy action were to become by thy will a universal law of nature."
* ~1870: "He should not wish for others what he does not wish for himself." - Bah?'u'll?h, Kitab-i-Aqdas 148.73 Bah?'? Faith.
* ~1890 "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." - Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, 30, Bah?'? Faith.
* 1999 "don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you." - British Humanist Association, Humanism.
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They further realized that not everyone holds true to their faith and may abuse others, by creating a powerful government (as the lib-fascists have done). They made the government answerable to the principle: if you abuse others, they can ‘abuse’ you, by removing you from office. (the contrapositive of the above principle)[/quote]
You take the above paragraph–the very opposite of “turn the other cheek”–as evidence of Christian principles in our government?
I understand that the important founding fathers, the ones who actually led and shaped the Revolution, didn’t consider themselves to be Christians.
It’s very sad you still cling to some silly ideal you know isn’t true. In your world, do you still believe Washington never told a lie? Did Lincoln wrestle grizzly bears? Did Jefferson keep it in his pants when around the slave girls?
Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.
Nor did I suggest it did. SSN0 said - no, actually he copied and pasted what someone else said - that the Constitution did not mention, at all, a Deity.
It, in fact, does.
Wrong. The bottom line is we are no a Christian nation and the reason we have so many different Protestant denominations is a testament to our seperation of church and state.
Once we go down the slippery slope of being a Christian nation then the next question is which form of Christianity is ‘right’ form of Christianity.
Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.
Nor did I suggest it did. SSN0 said - no, actually he copied and pasted what someone else said - that the Constitution did not mention, at all, a Deity.
It, in fact, does.
Wrong. The bottom line is we are no a Christian nation and the reason we have so many different Protestant denominations is a testament to our seperation of church and state.
Once we go down the slippery slope of being a Christian nation then the next question is which form of Christianity is ‘right’ form of Christianity.
History has shown that this will happen.
In a nutshell: English Christian fled England because of the mandatory participation/membership in the Church of England…There was a state mandated religion in England at this time. Many English Christians refused to participate because of Christian differences.
This about the time of the Protestant Reformation. Basically Catholicism ruled Europe in a very real and political way. COE broke away and further alienated some Christians. So they left with the hope of finding a new place to worship a Christian God without state mandates.[/quote]
Thanks for reminding us all why we have seperation of church and state.
The whole point is to avoid what happened in England and the rest of Europe.
