It is not worse than with any other animal.
[quote]cct wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
I don’t see why eating dogs is wrong.
Maybe I should find a link of “How beef is made” to the Indians.
Agreed. It’s no different from raising pigs or cows for food.
If you whine about cute animals, you might as well as become a vegetarian. Oh, plants have feelings too? Starve yourself to death.
I say we raise humans for food. They’re rarely cute and generally annoying, so the “feeling sorry” -part won’t be an issue most of the time.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Someone remind me again why it’s not perfectly ok to eat people? I mean, as long as their deaths are swift and “humane”?
I stand by my opinion that there are quite a few people out there who deserve the same fate as the poor dog
theuofh wrote about.
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Some people think other people are different than animals in that they have souls. I disagree, and the reason I would never eat a human is because of the thought of it gets to me too much. Just something about the thought of it affects me more knowing it was a human than any other animal. Maybe it’s ingrained in our psyche to help promote the existence of our species.
[quote]SWR wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Someone remind me again why it’s not perfectly ok to eat people? I mean, as long as their deaths are swift and “humane”?
I stand by my opinion that there are quite a few people out there who deserve the same fate as the poor dog
theuofh wrote about.
Some people think other people are different than animals in that they have souls. I disagree, and the reason I would never eat a human is because of the thought of it gets to me too much. Just something about the thought of it affects me more knowing it was a human than any other animal. Maybe it’s ingrained in our psyche to help promote the existence of our species. [/quote]
Its not ingrained in our psyche… I can tell you that much. We’re one of the more violent animals… But I wouldn’t eat a person, not going to argue why because I don’t know… I would go insane if I did.
I will eat everything else… never had dog, but I’ve tried a whole lot of other things
Philosophically I don’t see an issue with eating dog.
But if I ever did. . . I doubt I’d be able to look my dog in the eye without feeling like a scumbag.
Whenever I meet a male, I imagine being stranded on an island w/ the individual, and place him into 1 of 3 groups:
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Group 1 are good guys who I would get along with. I imagine we could build a boat, sail to get women and supplies, return and start a pleasant, peaceful village.
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Group 2 are guys I am ambivalent towards, and I would set up shop on the other side of the island. If we encountered each other on foraging missions or daily activities we would exchange pleasant conversation then return to our respective sides of the island. These guys can get promoted to group 1 or demoted group 2.
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Group 3 guys I generally would consider scumbags of the worse sort, whom I would immediately set upon with unholy violence, then roast and consume for sustenance. If they are physically superior to me, I may consider doing something weaselish to gain an advantage, or else they get upgraded to group 2 until I feel confident in my abilities to best them in armed/unarmed combat and subsequently roast them.
…females, of course, get preferential treatment.
All right. One final attempt.
DISCLAIMER: Do NOT watch this video for it may be particularly offensive/disturbing to many of you.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
All right. One final attempt.
DISCLAIMER: Do NOT watch this video for it may be particularly offensive/disturbing to many of you.[/quote]
Then why post it?
For information that enriches the life of the “t-man” or average weight-training hopeful.
The disclaimer hopefully restricts the viewing audience to the intended/target audience.
Besides this is closest to the video referenced by “theuofh” previous page.
[quote]SWR wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
All right. One final attempt.
DISCLAIMER: Do NOT watch this video for it may be particularly offensive/disturbing to many of you.
Then why post it?[/quote]
I don’t deride anyone for killing whatever animal it is they eat in their part of the world. As a hunter myself I understand it. With that being said, I will say I detest anyone who gets off an seeing an animal suffer. Even when I take an animals life in hunting conditions I strive to do it as quickly as possible to minimize any undue suffering that may occur for the animal.
If done right this can almost be minimized completely. This is accomplished thru using the right weapon for the job combined with a high skill level in the area of marksmanship and knowing where to aim to kill quickly as someone else mentioned. Seeing someone bash in the head of a dog with a rock, or lengthen the suffering when killing it or any other animal, would make me want to do likewise to the person in question.
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I don’t deride anyone for killing whatever animal it is they eat in their part of the world. As a hunter myself I understand it. With that being said, I will say I detest anyone who gets off an seeing an animal suffer. Even when I take an animals life in hunting conditions I strive to do it as quickly as possible to minimize any undue suffering that may occur for the animal.
If done right this can almost be minimized completely. This is accomplished thru using the right weapon for the job combined with a high skill level in the area of marksmanship and knowing where to aim to kill quickly as someone else mentioned. Seeing someone bash in the head of a dog with a rock, or lengthen the suffering when killing it or any other animal, would make me want to do likewise to the person in question.
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Perfectly said.
We’re talking about China here. From my travels and experience, they typically don’t give a flying fuck about animal suffering.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I don’t deride anyone for killing whatever animal it is they eat in their part of the world. As a hunter myself I understand it. With that being said, I will say I detest anyone who gets off an seeing an animal suffer. Even when I take an animals life in hunting conditions I strive to do it as quickly as possible to minimize any undue suffering that may occur for the animal.
If done right this can almost be minimized completely. This is accomplished thru using the right weapon for the job combined with a high skill level in the area of marksmanship and knowing where to aim to kill quickly as someone else mentioned. Seeing someone bash in the head of a dog with a rock, or lengthen the suffering when killing it or any other animal, would make me want to do likewise to the person in question.
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I have to admit, sometimes I look at my dog’s thighs and think, “That would be some good eating.”
lol
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
We’re talking about China here. From my travels and experience, they typically don’t give a flying fuck about animal suffering.
Dedicated wrote:
I don’t deride anyone for killing whatever animal it is they eat in their part of the world. As a hunter myself I understand it. With that being said, I will say I detest anyone who gets off an seeing an animal suffer. Even when I take an animals life in hunting conditions I strive to do it as quickly as possible to minimize any undue suffering that may occur for the animal.
If done right this can almost be minimized completely. This is accomplished thru using the right weapon for the job combined with a high skill level in the area of marksmanship and knowing where to aim to kill quickly as someone else mentioned. Seeing someone bash in the head of a dog with a rock, or lengthen the suffering when killing it or any other animal, would make me want to do likewise to the person in question.
D
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Oh, agreed, TD. I spent some time in Korea and having ate at a Korean establishment or two while there, I probably ate dog unbeknownst to me as I couldn’t read the menu and let the Korean gal I was dining with choose. But, more to your point, I agree the Eastern folks seem to have little regard for the suffering of whatever animal is going to be dinner. That indifference still repulses me. Fine eat the cute little puppy, but you could still put it out quickly before cooking it.
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
We’re talking about China here. From my travels and experience, they typically don’t give a flying fuck about animal suffering.
Dedicated wrote:
I don’t deride anyone for killing whatever animal it is they eat in their part of the world. As a hunter myself I understand it. With that being said, I will say I detest anyone who gets off an seeing an animal suffer. Even when I take an animals life in hunting conditions I strive to do it as quickly as possible to minimize any undue suffering that may occur for the animal.
If done right this can almost be minimized completely. This is accomplished thru using the right weapon for the job combined with a high skill level in the area of marksmanship and knowing where to aim to kill quickly as someone else mentioned. Seeing someone bash in the head of a dog with a rock, or lengthen the suffering when killing it or any other animal, would make me want to do likewise to the person in question.
D
Oh, agreed, TD. I spent some time in Korea and having ate at a Korean establishment or two while there, I probably ate dog unbeknownst to me as I couldn’t read the menu and let the Korean gal I was dining with choose. But, more to your point, I agree the Eastern folks seem to have little regard for the suffering of whatever animal is going to be dinner. That indifference still repulses me. Fine eat the cute little puppy, but you could still put it out quickly before cooking it.
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Ded,
You’re one of the most reasonable dudes on these forums.
Hey, thanks Iron Dwarf, I feel the same of you. I think it’s just after you’ve lived awhile and and are aware enough of your own faults as much as to the faults of others you become more reasonable. I have my viewpoint from my experience and that is all it is.
Take care brother,
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I agree the Eastern folks seem to have little regard for the suffering of whatever animal is going to be dinner. That indifference still repulses me. Fine eat the cute little puppy, but you could still put it out quickly before cooking it.
D[/quote]
I agree with this to a certain extent. I’m not too sure how much of this is cultural and how much of it is a product of poverty. In much the same way that China produces the cheapest, dirtiest energy possible it produces the cheapest meat possible too. Outside of the large cities people will take what meat they can get, they don’t have the luxury to dictate the treatment of the animals.
Look at Japan, most people in the West aren’t treated as well as the cows used for Kobe beef. They have soothing music played to them, are massaged and given beer every day.
That said, when I lived in China I saw some straight up unusual behavior, a woman walking down the street with a plastic shopping bag with a hole in it. Periodically a live duck’s face would emerge, peck at some scraps of food on the street and then retreat.
I can’t say I saw any outright animal abuse like what was posted earlier though. That kind of behavior seems totally unacceptable to me.
I saw meat dogs being sold at market. I think people get the impression that the Chinese eat any type of dog all the time. This is simply not the case. I only ever saw one very specific, weird looking breed being sold. They had very short snouts and looked more like small bears than dogs. Also, outside of South West China very few people eat dog and most are repulsed by the idea much like Westerners are.
The western influence is very dominant in Japan now…prior to WW the Japs were known for their inhuman ways, immortalised in the film “Hei Tai Yang” and others.
Besides i’m sure pandas are treated way better than humans in china! Most countries do have an animal/bird whose shit don’t stink.
[quote]jarvis wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
I agree the Eastern folks seem to have little regard for the suffering of whatever animal is going to be dinner. That indifference still repulses me. Fine eat the cute little puppy, but you could still put it out quickly before cooking it.
D
I agree with this to a certain extent. I’m not too sure how much of this is cultural and how much of it is a product of poverty. In much the same way that China produces the cheapest, dirtiest energy possible it produces the cheapest meat possible too. Outside of the large cities people will take what meat they can get, they don’t have the luxury to dictate the treatment of the animals.
Look at Japan, most people in the West aren’t treated as well as the cows used for Kobe beef. They have soothing music played to them, are massaged and given beer every day.
That said, when I lived in China I saw some straight up unusual behavior, a woman walking down the street with a plastic shopping bag with a hole in it. Periodically a live duck’s face would emerge, peck at some scraps of food on the street and then retreat.
I can’t say I saw any outright animal abuse like what was posted earlier though. That kind of behavior seems totally unacceptable to me.
I saw meat dogs being sold at market. I think people get the impression that the Chinese eat any type of dog all the time. This is simply not the case. I only ever saw one very specific, weird looking breed being sold. They had very short snouts and looked more like small bears than dogs. Also, outside of South West China very few people eat dog and most are repulsed by the idea much like Westerners are.[/quote]
Clearly you haven’t seen a lot of what happens in China.
(Another watch at your own risk video)
[quote]jarvis wrote:
That said, when I lived in China …
I can’t say I saw any outright animal abuse like what was posted earlier though. That kind of behavior seems totally unacceptable to me.
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[quote]theuofh wrote:
I saw a video last night of a Chinese dude assaulting a dog with a brick. He picked up a brick, and launched it the dog, hitting him right in the head. The dog fell, made some incredible messed up whimpers, couldn’t move, and was just lying on its side whimpering and making the most god awful noises. The guy approached it, the dog tried to bite him but couldn’t do shit, then he kicked the dog away from the brick, so he could pick it up and throw it at the animal a couple more times. Each time the dog got more messed up but didn’t die, still whimpering and growling and trying to escape, but it couldn’t walk. At this point I was a pretty big mess, you could have told me the world was ending and every human being in it was going to die, but I would still be more concerned for the dog.
At the end of the video, the dog crawled between some bikes in a bike rack and was still making death noises. I was hoping the guy would at least pull it out and put it out of its misery. I wanted to fly to China and help this dog, or at least kill it myself just so it wouldn’t suffer any more, until I realized I was helpless to do anything and it already happened.
My psychological state after watching that was not good, and I basically came to the conclusion that people are incredibly messed up and the world is a pretty nasty place, and as much as I tried to distance myself from the experience of watching this video emotionally, I couldn’t.
But now, I realize the guy was just getting dinner, perhaps to feed his family, or even just himself, and who could blame him for that.
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From what I know about this they deliberately inflict pain onto dogs for meat prior to slaughter to infuse the meat with adrenaline as it adds flavour.
I lived in Korea for a year across the road from a boshintong (dog stew) place and within walking distance of several dog farms. From what I’ve read, the Korean government isn’t too fond of the whole dog meat industry and doesn’t officially recognize dogs as livestock, so they’re not subject to the same slaughter provisions, etc as pigs or cows.