Times Square Bomb Found by Muslim Immigrant

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

Sorry mate. I’m just saying I’d bet on Pudzianowski in a fight against a 4 year old whereas you’d probably hold out, unsure whether the kid’s technique could be devastating.

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Sorry “mate.”

Just couldn’t let this assinine analogy of yours go uncommented on.

Tell me, Mr. I-want-respect-for-my-absurdly-naive-view: Would it matter to you at all if said 4 year old was doing his best to hide and had Glock in his hand?
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You just created an analogy that is no longer consistent, so no, it wouldn’t matter. The relative strength of the analogous pairing represented the respective strength of the nations and factions discussed. A firearm doesn’t fit.

You piggyback on Push’s comments for your little ad hominems. This is really not that big of a deal; neither one of us has a say in changing anything. Settle down.

Half of each of your replies towards me has been irrelevant and unnecessary. I think I have acknowledged your ideas and given time and to them. The insults don’t make that any easier for me to do.

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

It had a fully functional military with technology that was generally on par with ours. [/quote]

Better, at least at the beginning of the war.

Better soldiers too.

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

Sorry mate. I’m just saying I’d bet on Pudzianowski in a fight against a 4 year old whereas you’d probably hold out, unsure whether the kid’s technique could be devastating.

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Sorry “mate.”

Just couldn’t let this assinine analogy of yours go uncommented on.

Tell me, Mr. I-want-respect-for-my-absurdly-naive-view: Would it matter to you at all if said 4 year old was doing his best to hide and had Glock in his hand?
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You just created an analogy that is no longer consistent, so no, it wouldn’t matter. The relative strength of the analogous pairing represented the respective strength of the nations and factions discussed. A firearm doesn’t fit.

You piggyback on Push’s comments for your little ad hominems. This is really not that big of a deal; neither one of us has a say in changing anything. Settle down.

Half of each of your replies towards me has been irrelevant and unnecessary. I think I have acknowledged your ideas and given time and to them. The insults don’t make that any easier for me to do.[/quote]

What Chush and Push are trying to point out to you is fairly obvious to me: your reasoning by false analogy–whether to WWII or to 4 year olds–simply results in false conclusions.

9/11 needs no false analogy, and serves as the example of the US continued weaknesses. Despite naive protests to the contrary, we live in an open society, one in in which Yemenis can come and go, take one-way flight courses, board airplanes with boxcutters; one in which naturalized Pakistanis, or native-born Americans, can assemble car-bombs for Times Square or Oklahoma.

When we increase “security measures,” the fanatics will find new weaknesses; viz, this particular bomber bought a ticket with cash when he was on a "no-fly " list.

US military and technical prowess is not our protection against fanatics dedicated to our destruction. We either find a way to protect ourselves, or a way to cope with the threat, or a way to make our will subject to that of fanatics.

Now then, I am sure that any other analogies which you may offer will serve to illuminate, and not confuse, an issue.

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Random statement(skip or read… up to you) =>

I saw Israel and Iran so I thought I’d put this here

I hate Israel, maybe hate is a little strong… I dislike them(Them being the government, the people are fine with me). The sole purpose of Israel was/is to suppress the middle east.

I am Iranian(I am a citizen of Iran and America)… I was born and raised In Texas. Neither my sister or I are Muslim(weren’t raised under any religion) but if someone asks we would say Muslim 9/10 times(I can’t tell you a single thing in the koran… maybe a pillar if I think hard enough).

What I find amusing is… I wasn’t raised to dislike Israel, I didn’t even know what it was until high school… not even sure on how my parents view Israel. I had what the media stuffs down my throat all my life… yet I still came to the conclusion that I dislike Israel.

I guess the fact that I’m Persian made me predisposed to dislike Israel :stuck_out_tongue: and whenever I tell people that don’t really know me… its always entertaining to watch their judging eyes.

“Cool story bro… totally worth reading” :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
I’m just saying I’d bet on Pudzianowski in a fight against a 4 year old whereas you’d probably hold out, unsure whether the kid’s technique could be devastating.
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Poor analogy. Better to say Pudzianowski killed the 4 year olds parents. The 4 year old has promised to kill Pudzianowski and everyone he cares about. Then when the 4 year old turns 13 he kills one of Pudzianowski’s best friends (9/11).

You state that that Pudzianowski should leave him alone until he is an adult as the little boy couldn’t possibly be a threat. Push et al are saying it is smarter to take him out now while it is easier.

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[quote]Amiright wrote:

What I find amusing is… I wasn’t raised to dislike Israel, I didn’t even know what it was until high school… not even sure on how my parents view Israel. I had what the media stuffs down my throat all my life… yet I still came to the conclusion that I dislike Israel.

I guess the fact that I’m Persian made me predisposed to dislike Israel :stuck_out_tongue: [/quote]

Ah, its genetic.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
I’m just saying I’d bet on Pudzianowski in a fight against a 4 year old whereas you’d probably hold out, unsure whether the kid’s technique could be devastating.
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Poor analogy. Better to say Pudzianowski killed the 4 year olds parents. The 4 year old has promised to kill Pudzianowski and everyone he cares about. Then when the 4 year old turns 13 he kills one of Pudzianowski’s best friends (9/11).

You state that that Pudzianowski should leave him alone until he is an adult as the little boy couldn’t possibly be a threat. Push et al are saying it is smarter to take him out now while it is easier.[/quote]

Are we forgetting the original crime here?

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
What percentage of the American population is actually serving in our military? Approximately 1%, So we could make the case to all of those belligerent and angry muslims all over the world that the vast majority of Americans are peace loving and it is only a small majority who are engaged in war in the Middle East.[/quote]

The fact that “the vast majority of Americans are peace loving” is established. Nobody ever questioned it (not even Al-Qaeda & co). But you still can’t make that case based on a “1%” argument. Indeed, the army is financed by tax money that virtually everybody contributes to - voluntarily or not. It would be illogical.

Get your head checked if you really believe that. You’re exhibiting signs of a severe delusional disorder.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
I’m just saying I’d bet on Pudzianowski in a fight against a 4 year old whereas you’d probably hold out, unsure whether the kid’s technique could be devastating.
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Poor analogy. Better to say Pudzianowski killed the 4 year olds parents. The 4 year old has promised to kill Pudzianowski and everyone he cares about. Then when the 4 year old turns 13 he kills one of Pudzianowski’s best friends (9/11).

You state that that Pudzianowski should leave him alone until he is an adult as the little boy couldn’t possibly be a threat. Push et al are saying it is smarter to take him out now while it is easier.[/quote]

LOL fine, let’s go with that analogy. Ultimately, the point of the original was to illustrate the difference in our attitudes towards this.

And actually, my original point was that the collective hysteria in this country about things like the “Muslim threat” is largely disproportionate to reality. The rest is sidetracked from that claim.

Chushin - attacking the argument and not the arguer will always be more effective in debate. It doesn’t matter if it’s your little name-calling tactic or repeatedly bringing up my age - it’s irrelevant to what I say. That’s what I meant by half your posts having no relevance to our discussion.

I understand that you, Push, and DrSkeptix disagree with me. And I think it was a worthwhile discussion for me. But since you all agree with one another, I’m not sure that’s conclusive evidence for your claim that I have a poor grip on reality.

It just seems I have a poor grip on the way YOU see things. And that’s okay, because again, neither of us has the power to change shit.

Anyways, if you’re done, I’m done.

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

Methinks you’re missing the point there fella.

Maybe you’re misrepresenting his point on purpose, I dunno.

But the fact that Americans are so afraid of this vague ‘Islamic threat’ is laughable. Orion is right. If THIS ‘issue’ causes so much distraction and fear in this country, our problems run deeper than we think.[/quote]

Really? Besides Britain during the wars for American independence, what nation or group has actually been able to kill Americans on American soil? Wow - look at that - muslims. hmmm vague threat feels pretty real. The Nazi’s could n;t do it, the Soviet’s couldn’t do it, the Japanese failed at it - but those peace-loving muslims pulled it off repeatedly and are getting better at it - hmmm . . . something is vague, but it sure is not this threat.

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

Who cares if they have “stated intention”? If they actually ‘procure’ said weapons, then let’s give a shit.

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LMAO - this has got to be the most assinine comment I have ever read (no disrespect intended), seriously - wait until the people who have siad that their whole reason for living is to destroy the American infidel actually have a WMD in their posession and THEN start worrying - WOW. And they are just going to come right out and tell you that 1. they have one, 2. how they will be getting here, 3. where they will place it, 4. when they will be doing all of this - so that we can conveniently show up anywhere along the way to stop them - LMAO - what a maroon . . .

Just like they did not telegraph their intention to use airplanes as guided missles, they will not advertise that they have a weapon until after they have the opportunity to use it - thus our vigilance to this “vague” threat becomes even more crucial and we have to be willing to accept our enemy for who/what he declares himself to be.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Waiting until “then,” that is after “they procure the weapons” has worked before, right?[/quote]

hey Push

saw a picture of a pickup truck with the statement “everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11” with the picture of the second impact on the twin towers painted on it - kind of sums it up very nicely. don’t you think?

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[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:

I’m just saying we waited with North Korea and this nation has not ceased to exist… and not only that, but the bomb hasn’t hit our country either.

It’s just a weird dynamic. We live in the most powerful country the world has ever seen and [some of] our citizens still get afraid about some terrorist faction occupying disorganized desert countries (to the point that they’re paranoid about anyone who is of the same religion as the terrorists, no matter the differences in how they practice).

These are the same people who feel safe with airport “security” and are fine with giving up rights for “protection”. THEY are more of a threat to America’s way of life than anyone else.[/quote]

Apparently the concepts of overt weapons production versus convert weapons procurement, nation/state action versus non-state actor, undeclared intent versus declared intent - these are completely foreign to you.

You also completely underestimate the resources, ingenuity, determination and capabilities of these people. You (along with orion and dustin) have this denegrating, condescending attitutde about the muslims that is truly mind-boggling. These are some of the most intelligent, resourceful and well-funded people on the planet with the patience of Job and the determination of a pitbull.

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[quote]Amiright wrote:
Random statement(skip or read… up to you) =>

. . . I hate Israel, maybe hate is a little strong… I dislike them(Them being the government, the people are fine with me). The sole purpose of Israel was/is to suppress the middle east. . . .What I find amusing is… I wasn’t raised to dislike Israel, I didn’t even know what it was until high school… not even sure on how my parents view Israel. I had what the media stuffs down my throat all my life… yet I still came to the conclusion that I dislike Israel.
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The sole purpose of Israel is to suppress the ME - really? And how did you come to this conclusion (obviously ignoring the fact that Israel has a historical claim to the lands they once again possess). You can hate something without understanding the rationale for that hatred? Grow up.

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Hey Chushin - yeah, it is