You can look up Tom Bearden’s web site for some great theories on this and alternative energy and superweapons and such. I like to take a couple of Spike caps and then read as much as I can before being interrupted, as this is the only time I can kind of follow him.
The part I really have a problem grasping, is the theory that when moving at the speed of light, time stops, and therefor, you don’t age. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! Your body doesn’t give a shit about time, your heart is still going to beat, you are still going to breath, cells will continue to divide. You will either be dead or age. Or is that what cryogenic freezing is for? And if so, what would the effects of light speed travel be on the human body if not somehow preserved?
Time travel definitely presents a cornucopia of disturbing concepts. Aging is a function of time. Let’s say we can design a machine that can travel at the speed of light and allow its occupant to survive. Let’s say we want the occupant to travel one year into the future and set the machine accordingly. To the occupant, perhaps only 5 minutes have passed. But when the occupant emerges, everyone else will have aged one year. The time machine creates its own separate “time zone,” if you will, where 5 minutes equals one year.
This stuff will make your head explode.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Ren wrote:
I can definitely see time travel to the future being possible, …
I can time travel to the future. I will be there tommorow.[/quote]
Well, I just came back to the present from yesterday.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
This stuff will make your head explode.[/quote]
No shit! What you said makes sense, if you theorize that when traveling at the speed of light(or however we are traveling through time)you are in and or creating your own time while in the machine and thus your body itself is not moving at the speed of light but the machine itself. I think my brain just took a dump.
Apparently one theory states that if we can build a time machine we will then immediately begin getting messages from the future, as they will obviously have one as well. However the past is another matter.
The same theory states that we cannot go back in time as there is no time machine in the past. Apparently it’s like a form of communication in that you cannot communicate with someone who does not have a telephone or a computer etc…
With all the advances we have been making over the past couple centuries I guess almost anything is possible…I like Kurt Vonnegut’s explanations from Slaughterhouse-Five where the Tralfamadorians could view time as we view mountain ranges, and it was just an illusion on Earth that time passed and followed a progression.
So…I sent the link to the friend who studied under Mallett, and here is his response:
“Yeah, I know he’s been working on a time machine. And there are people who have disputed his results, but apparently UConn actually wants to fund the idea… There are only two ends to this, either I am the progeny of a nobel laureate, or a crank…”
Nephorm,
I don’t remember the reference you made.
I think it can happen and it will at some point. Artificial Intelligence will be required to develop and impliment it. I don’t know if our feeble biological brains could make it happen.
Anyone ever hear of Andrew Carrlson?
Time travel is very simple and mechanisms to allow it have been built in abundance throughout history. Unfortunately humans invariably abuse the power and screw thing up so badly that they have to use it one last time to go back waste the poor schmuck who thought it up. The timeline collapses and we all go back to thinking it’s impossible because it’s never been done.
[quote]Kruiser wrote:
Time travel is very simple and mechanisms to allow it have been built in abundance throughout history. Unfortunately humans invariably abuse the power and screw thing up so badly that they have to use it one last time to go back waste the poor schmuck who thought it up. The timeline collapses and we all go back to thinking it’s impossible because it’s never been done.[/quote]
Thats a very interesting point of view on the subject.
[quote]Haramdar wrote:
Thats a very interesting point of view on the subject. [/quote]
Ummm, yeaaaahhh.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
I actually was reading a lot in to this the other week. I came across and article on some Scottish science site about warp speed being possible in the near future, which got my mind rolling on time travel.
From what I could piece together without knowing much of anything about quantum physics, time travel to the past is widely regarded as not possible, or possible under certain conditions as neophorm said. What are these conditions? Who knows. Most of what I read was so beyond my realm of understanding the answer could have been right in front of me and I would have never known.
The part I really have a problem grasping, is the theory that when moving at the speed of light, time stops, and therefor, you don’t age. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?! Your body doesn’t give a shit about time, your heart is still going to beat, you are still going to breath, cells will continue to divide. You will either be dead or age. Or is that what cryogenic freezing is for? And if so, what would the effects of light speed travel be on the human body if not somehow preserved? [/quote]
Because time is relative. Time doesn’t stop for you. You continue breathing, but in comparison to the world you came from, you have stopped aging. This concept is held in the possibility of singularities. It is the event horizon which seperates space-time. In other words, if you left Earth traveling at the speed of light, even though it would appear to you to only be seconds or minutes of travel (depending on distance), here on Earth decades will have past. You would return feeling like time never stopped while everyone you ever knew would be long dead.
[quote]Haramdar wrote:
Kruiser wrote:
Time travel is very simple and mechanisms to allow it have been built in abundance throughout history. Unfortunately humans invariably abuse the power and screw thing up so badly that they have to use it one last time to go back waste the poor schmuck who thought it up. The timeline collapses and we all go back to thinking it’s impossible because it’s never been done.
Thats a very interesting point of view on the subject. [/quote]
Yes, in fact, we already had this discussion, however my son built a time machine in the future, stopped JFK from being killed thus causing Cheney to never become vice-president. This somehow changed the entire political landscape as politicians began lying 60% less. Due to true honesty on capitol hill, faith was restored in our government process and millions of people who, in the future, simply said “fuck it” and killed themselves due to corrupt systems decided not to. One of them has an ancestor who murders our 70th President, a supermodel named Alexis, so my son went back in time and caused TC to leave Muscle Media 3 years before he did in the alternate reality forcing this site to be constructed earlier than before and us to relive this conversation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…so my son went back in time and caused TC to leave Muscle Media 3 years before he did in the alternate reality forcing this site to be constructed earlier than before…[/quote]
Could you ask him to pick me up some MAG-10 while he’s back there?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, in fact, we already had this discussion, however my son built a time machine in the future, stopped JFK from being killed thus causing Cheney to never become vice-president. This somehow changed the entire political landscape as politicians began lying 60% less. Due to true honesty on capitol hill, faith was restored in our government process and millions of people who, in the future, simply said “fuck it” and killed themselves due to corrupt systems decided not to. One of them has an ancestor who murders our 70th President, a supermodel named Alexis, so my son went back in time and caused TC to leave Muscle Media 3 years before he did in the alternate reality forcing this site to be constructed earlier than before and us to relive this conversation.
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You had me at “We already had this conversation…”. LOL.
Currently reading “Hyperspace” By Michio Kaku. It appears to have some interesting implications pertaining to time travel.
I’ll get back to you when I’m finished and I feel like I have a firmer grasp on the books contents.
Mark
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
The part I really have a problem grasping, is the theory that when moving at the speed of light, time stops, and therefor, you don’t age. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?![/quote]
Actually, according to relativity, you can never reach the speed of light. You could theoritically get to 99.9999999…(lots more 9s here)% of it; but actually reaching it would make your mass infinite and require infinite energy. For anything that has any mass at all, a bunch of infitinies appear in the equations at 100% of light speed.
Light particles (photons) get to reach 100% because they have no mass. (No “rest mass”).
Also note that for time dilation effects to become very apparent, you have to get to a high percentage of the speed of light.
Let’s say you leave the earth on a fast spaceship.
You crank it up to 50% the speed of light. For every year that passes on the earth, you’ll age about 10.5 months.
That’s not much of an advantage, so you floor that pedal and reach 80% of the speed of light. Now, for every year that goes by on earth, you age 7 months and 10 days (give or take a few hours).
Hmmm. Not good enough. You turn on the afterburners, engage warp speed and roll up the windows. You reach 98% of the SOL. It’s getting better. A year goes by on earth every 72.63 days. Every year of your time you systain that speed, 5 years go by on earth. Wanna visit 2100? You’ll have to wait 19 years in your spaceship.
If you wanted to reach the more manageable 1 year/day mark, you’d have to get up to 99.999625% of the speed of light. That’s pretty effing fast.
Now the trick question: If you turn on a flashlight in your spaceship, how fast will the light be moving, relative to you? Relative to some outside observer?
[quote]pookie wrote:
Now the trick question: If you turn on a flashlight in your spaceship, how fast will the light be moving, relative to you? Relative to some outside observer?
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Same speed to both.
If you did go back in time i think you would “regress”. You could reverse time, but you cells, brain, experiences, etc went back you wouldnt be able to make use of it. Does that make sense?
Also, to go from one time and place to another time and place would probably require you to go through the intermediate times. Thats alot of air, who’s space your going to have to share.