Social Security is not an entitlement, you pay into it like any other retirement fund. Universal Healthcare should be the number one priority for any Capitalist. You want entrepeneurs? You want people out there trying to get their own business and working hard for more? Take away the giant weight of healthcare. People stay in jobs poking along for fear of losing coverage, and the US system is incredibly bloated and wasteful. Some jerkoff in an office working out how to not pay for treatments makes more money than the practitioners. It is not realistic to apply the open market principles to something that is an as needed and needed immediately service.
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No, you actually donât. It is significantly more nuanced than that, but you lack depth of understanding past the end of your nose.
I donât know if I can personally get on board with Universal Healthcare.
But dude, thatâs a very insightful comment right there.
add: Sad, but true.
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Thanks. Iâm flattered.
This seems like splitting hairs. Why are police, fixed roads, help after a tornado, etc services, but letting old people have health care are entitlements? I donât want to get hung up on whatâs an entitlement and what isnât. Maybe a better way to think of it is why is a society as powerful as ours providing health care for 80 year olds bad?
Sure they do. Thatâs why you read the stories after a tax cut of companies giving bonuses or something. Get a massive savings, give a little back to the peasants, and then you can say if you give me another one Iâll give the peasants again. Itâs not like we saw wages for all explode like CEO pay and income for the highest earners. Trickle down economics is a pure scam.
And weâre back to stealing. We did that not too long ago. You donât have a legal right to your pre-tax income. Thatâs an entitlement you think you have. If taxation is stealing than you must believe government shouldnât exist. We will just have to agree to disagree as I think all the most successful countries right now have government.
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Or you just ship jobs off to China. Win Win.
Call it âmandatory spending,â if youâd prefer.
It may be; it may not be.
I believe you conflate âentitlement spendingâ with the use of âentitledâ as an insult.
Edit: Look to âentitlementâ for definition: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/glossary.pdf#page=8
I believe itâs typically used in a condescending manner. Thatâs why mandatory spending isnât used more as a term.
Itâs also not mandatory in the sense that laws canât be changed. Programs canât be eliminated or reformed. Wouldnât you say on the whole most of these programs are popular? Arenât you a fan of the guy who said he wouldnât touch those?
Wouldnât you say a lot of government programs like these arenât changed because they are popular? Getting rid of social security, Medicare, are pretty fringe positions.
Ok. So letâs say it is. Should we stop having health care for 80 year olds who canât work? Do you think health care for children and the elderly is a net positive or negative for society?
The CBO is entitlrd to their opinion, and I am entitled to mine. If I pay in, I am entitled to have them pay out, but they are not entitled to not pay out. Thatâs the stuff that causes uprisings.
Pew Research Center, for example, recently reported that â74 percent of Americans say Social Security benefits should not be reduced in any way,â and previous Pew research found that only 6% favored cutting government spending on Social Security. A Marist/NPR/PBS poll last year found that six in 10 Americans would prefer to reverse the 2017 tax bill rather than cut entitlement programs like Social Security if necessary to reduce the deficit. Gallup polling historically has found that Americans would rather raise Social Security taxes than reduce benefits. A 2014 surveyconducted for the National Academy of Social Insurance found â77% of respondents ⊠agree it is critical to preserve Social Security benefits for future generations, even if it means increasing Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.â
That is the very definition of entitlement(the fact of having a right to something). Edit: That is what makes Social SecurityâŠentitlement spending.
No. Who believes that?
Probably positive. Iâm not real big on staying at the Doctorâs office for everything, though.
Iâm not sure. Who said that?
Dumbasses. Do you think taxpayer money should ensure that if youâre 80 years old you can receive medical coverage. Regardless of your income. Do you think taxpayer money should ensure that if youâre 4 years old you can have health care? Regardless of your support systems income.
Most donât.
Donald Trump. The dude you defend on here pretty much constantly. He said he wouldnât touch entitlements
That is not even close to the truth. If you think theres a âsocial security fundâ out there, I have some magic beans to sell you. Even if it were true, why not let everyone invest in there own retirement privately?
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Nothing stops anyone from doing that. See above. Social security is overwhelmingly popular. It can be changed but the voting populace loves it. I pay into social security and also invest in my retirement privately. Itâs not difficult
Thatâs not an argument.
Show me how you can invest the money in a private retirement fund that is taken from you for social security.
Just think how much better off people would be if they could choose to do with their own money as they see fit.
At present levels of taxation, it seems as good a use as any.
I figured he must have said that. I donât think I defend him very often. His policies arenât great or even good. He was better than the other option. He will be better than the other option this year.
You have no legal obligation to your pre-tax income. Itâs really not hard to figure out but you always want to default to âitâs all theft!â
You can. Are you in a job where all your money goes to social security? That seems odd.