Thoughts on Police Interactions In Italy vs In the US

That’s an extremely un-American take on the subject. You’re just a hop, skip and a jump away from making government criticism in general illegal. Being inside a courtroom is a different matter altogether. At that point there is high-stakes business to conduct and limited time to do it with. If the judge can’t keep things in order, nothing would ever get done.

If you support Italian fascist laws like that, why not have a law making it illegal to be mean to anybody?

@samul What’s the penalty for playing NWA in public?

None–nobody speaks a damn word of English here

2 Likes

EXACTLY this. You don’t get in trouble for telling someone to fuck off. You do for telling that to an officer.

Let’s imagine Italy somehow produced your version of NWA’s breakthrough album from my awesome 1980’s childhood. A few kids from the roughest parts of Lombardy form a rap group and their breakthrough hit is however you say “Fuck the Police” in Italian. Edit: I googled it.

Fanculo la polizia

Could you play that in public, in the presence of officers? Or would that be Contempt of Cop?

It’s starting to seem as if your government officials are massive pussies who can’t handle someone being mean to them…

Absolutely no to the first, 100% yes to the second.

You wouldn’t be arrested though. Depending on how long the responding officer hasn’t gotten laid for, they would either tell you to shut it off in a very pissed off way, or ask you your documents, threaten you in some mafia like way (I am not making anything up, I’ll post an anedoct in a bit), then leave.

(I was trying to be funny with the first answer, I did understand the spirit of your question haha)

1 Like

I had no idea Italy was policed by petty tyrants dressed up like dictators who busy themselves by checking random people’s papers until today. I always enjoy learning new things in threads like this.

1 Like

Cops need warrants to enter people’s homes in Italy.

We have those in America…

It wouldn’t matter if they did in the case of rap music.

1 Like

I am not American, but as far as I know it’s not illegal to insult anybody. I’m fact, it’s a constitutionally protected activity. In order to commit the crime of disorderly conduct, you need to speak “fighting words,” which according to the sources I’ve been able to find, need to produce an effect that’s more than just “annoyment” or “inconvenience.” I imagine threats fall under this category. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never been to the US and I’d love to get educated on the matter.

Insulting somedoby shouldn’t be a crime if we’re claiming to have freedom of speech. It baffles me that, where I live, this applies to everybody but law enforcement.

You don’t need to imagine that as it already happened.

Trump? AOC?

Only they don’t. Something else to consider is that unlike other Euro countries and the US, there haven’t been any terror attacks.

1 Like

Only when they are working.

Here’s something you can do in America: if someone calls you a racial slur, you can get away with punching them, or worse. You can have issues with freedom of speech in Italy but don’t assume it’s perfect in the USA.

And arresting someone isn’t high stakes? Again, it’s about interfering with a police officer while he is working.

Whatever you say, Il Duce! You’re the expert on Italy and laws prohibiting mean words, not me.

I’m a lot of things. Most Italians don’t know anything about fascism. I had an Italian professor who I would also annoy by wearing black shirts to class.

An, not the. And I’m not being facetious.

Walk up to a black person here and call him the n word. You believe there is zero chance you would get arrested for that if he called the police?

Guys, let’s not turn this into a contest about whose country is the worst. We can all be winners at this!

2 Likes

America and Italy are great countries. Americans and Italians on the other hand…

1 Like

You may get arrested, but you won’t be charged with anything and likely will be able to sue for false imprisonment. Or you could look at it like the cop probably saved you an ass whooping. Hate speech has to directly incite imminent criminal activity or consist of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group. Calling someone names doesn’t count.

3 Likes

Arrest for possession of alcohol? Wow that’s pretty fascistic.

1 Like