[quote]lixy wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
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You got it backwards. The only people “whining” here are the give-the-rich-a-break crowd.
Read the thread again if you must.[/quote]
True - but surely you know that OUTSIDE of this thread (and this forum) people love nothing better than to bitch and moan about the evil rich.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Just throwing this out there and would like some input:
So I hear all this whining about the dividing gap between the rich and poor in the US.
Well, having spent a little bit of time on earth, I’ve realized a few things:
…So with all that in mind, what’s the problem with such a small number of people having the majority of wealth in the US? Sounds like the cream naturally rising to the top. And any time those with less money feel pissed about it, they are welcome to study how to make money in the US and take action on what they learn.
Beats the hell out of whining about it and trying to pass laws to force money where it shouldn’t go and fuck everything up worse.
I think number three would be down in the single digits and I totally disagree with number 4
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Number three in the single digits!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah right. That’s why no one bankrupts themselves buying drugs…or drinking…or buying porn (because none of these industries are freaken gigantic beyond belief)…or watching TV (what’s the average these days, 4 hours per day?).
I’d suggest that you get out and meet more people but it sounds like you hang out with a dynamic crowd who has their shit together - so obviously you should stick with them.
As for number four, I guess I can’t qoute any scientific studies or polls to know it’s true - I can only comment on what I observe.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
True - but surely you know that OUTSIDE of this thread (and this forum) people love nothing better than to bitch and moan about the evil rich.[/quote]
Not my feeling. This forum is heavily conservative with an emphasis on the libertarian. I honestly can’t think of more than a couple of regular posters who “bitch and moan about the evil rich”. All the rest, vehemently opposes governmental interference while cheering when it decides to shoot brown people.
Myself, and despite being in the most heavily taxed country in the world (when you look at the combined taxes weighted against GDP), I have nothing against paying my share.
Why? Because I can see where it’s going. Yeah, I cringe when about fat asses too lazy to get a job mooching off the state, but if it’s the price of keeping them from freezing to death, I can deal with that.
However, paying taxes in Africa pisses me off to no end seeing how the ruling elite pockets a good chunk of it. And since this is about the US, I would probably be very pissed if I had to pay taxes in the US. Not because Chicago provides housing for the needy or because farms in Wisconsin are subsidized.
Rather, I’d be pissed at my money financing bombs, tanks and other toys you Yanks like so much. I’d be pissed at the government laying in bed with corporations and lobbies at the cost of human lives. And so on, and so forth.
I don’t believe in the American Dream, but I do think the US remains the land of opportunity par excellence.
One last thing, I have no issues with people working to afford nice clothes, good food or even a sailboat. However, I loathe the MTV Cribs mentality (for lack of a better term) so pervasive nowadays. I find that indecent, reprehensible and certainly not healthy for society in the long haul.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Just throwing this out there and would like some input:
So I hear all this whining about the dividing gap between the rich and poor in the US.
Well, having spent a little bit of time on earth, I’ve realized a few things:
…So with all that in mind, what’s the problem with such a small number of people having the majority of wealth in the US? Sounds like the cream naturally rising to the top. And any time those with less money feel pissed about it, they are welcome to study how to make money in the US and take action on what they learn.
Beats the hell out of whining about it and trying to pass laws to force money where it shouldn’t go and fuck everything up worse.
I think number three would be down in the single digits and I totally disagree with number 4
Number three in the single digits!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah right. That’s why no one bankrupts themselves buying drugs…or drinking…or buying porn (because none of these industries are freaken gigantic beyond belief)…or watching TV (what’s the average these days, 4 hours per day?).
I’d suggest that you get out and meet more people but it sounds like you hang out with a dynamic crowd who has their shit together - so obviously you should stick with them.
As for number four, I guess I can’t qoute any scientific studies or polls to know it’s true - I can only comment on what I observe.
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I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Just throwing this out there and would like some input:
So I hear all this whining about the dividing gap between the rich and poor in the US.
Well, having spent a little bit of time on earth, I’ve realized a few things:
…So with all that in mind, what’s the problem with such a small number of people having the majority of wealth in the US? Sounds like the cream naturally rising to the top. And any time those with less money feel pissed about it, they are welcome to study how to make money in the US and take action on what they learn.
Beats the hell out of whining about it and trying to pass laws to force money where it shouldn’t go and fuck everything up worse.
I think number three would be down in the single digits and I totally disagree with number 4
Number three in the single digits!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah right. That’s why no one bankrupts themselves buying drugs…or drinking…or buying porn (because none of these industries are freaken gigantic beyond belief)…or watching TV (what’s the average these days, 4 hours per day?).
I’d suggest that you get out and meet more people but it sounds like you hang out with a dynamic crowd who has their shit together - so obviously you should stick with them.
As for number four, I guess I can’t qoute any scientific studies or polls to know it’s true - I can only comment on what I observe.
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I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
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I have lived in three different states in very different parts of the country and have moved a few times within one of those states. I have never lived in or visited Arizona.
[quote]lixy wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
True - but surely you know that OUTSIDE of this thread (and this forum) people love nothing better than to bitch and moan about the evil rich.
Not my feeling.
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Like I give a shit about your FEELING about how a lot of the people in the US feel when you don’t even fucking live here. I’ve seen enough posts where you give your opinion on our culture to know that YOU don’t know shit about it.
I was wondering when you’d turn this into IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!! bitch-fest.
Damn you actually sort of said something nice about the US. Next thing you know you might actually say nutjob suicide bombers killing off civilians in the market place are bad!
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One last thing, I have no issues with people working to afford nice clothes, good food or even a sailboat. However, I loathe the MTV Cribs mentality (for lack of a better term) so pervasive nowadays. I find that indecent, reprehensible and certainly not healthy for society in the long haul.[/quote]
You can eat my shit in the long haul.
[quote]lixy wrote:
All the rest, vehemently opposes governmental interference while cheering when it decides to shoot brown people.
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Oh no, I masturbate when the government shoots brown people!
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
I have lived in three different states in very different parts of the country and have moved a few times within one of those states. I have never lived in or visited Arizona.
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I was trying to assess your point of view
[quote]orion wrote:
lixy wrote:
All the rest, vehemently opposes governmental interference while cheering when it decides to shoot brown people.
Oh no, I masturbate when the government shoots brown people![/quote]
Just so you know lixyqueef, Orion is kidding…I assume.
lixypuke’s views on people in other countries are so warped, I think this actually needs to be clarified.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
I have lived in three different states in very different parts of the country and have moved a few times within one of those states. I have never lived in or visited Arizona.
I was trying to assess your point of view
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Let’s just get to the real heart of the matter:
No I am not one of those blue-collar workers from the states you mentioned. So, NO, I do NOT have first-hand experience working in a factory job with supposed job security only to be fired with no other job prospects in town.
However I was NOT born with s silver spoon in my mouth. I don’t even have a college degree today. And I know others who had it much worse than me AND worse than those blue-collar workers who are very rich today.
[quote]orion wrote:
lixy wrote:
All the rest, vehemently opposes governmental interference while cheering when it decides to shoot brown people.
Oh no, I masturbate when the government shoots brown people![/quote]
HH, is that you?
The whole point is simple really:
Those with “Bush Derangement Syndrome”, or more generally “Republican Derangement Syndrome” build arguments on fantasies rather than facts.
The whole “… give rich tax breaks” is a farce.
I live in Maine, where we are most years the highest taxed state (ie full tax burden) in the US. Last year, there were 2 states that had negative economic growth: Louisiana and Maine.
Louisiana had Hurricane Katrina. Maine had 30 years of Leftist Democrat policies that have steadily driven out businesses for those 30 years. One of the biggest stories this week was another fishery closed (read many jobs) because of more stringent state gov’t regulation and ‘selective’ taxation. That business will go to another state.
People who complain about ‘the rich’ are too full of class envy to get on with themselves.
As a small business entrepeneur, what’s my incentive to grow my business if, after 20 years, I’m finally making $200k, and now considered ‘rich’, so I’m thrust into a new tax bracket that effectively caps my business from growing?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Just throwing this out there and would like some input:
So I hear all this whining about the dividing gap between the rich and poor in the US.
Well, having spent a little bit of time on earth, I’ve realized a few things:
…So with all that in mind, what’s the problem with such a small number of people having the majority of wealth in the US? Sounds like the cream naturally rising to the top. And any time those with less money feel pissed about it, they are welcome to study how to make money in the US and take action on what they learn.
Beats the hell out of whining about it and trying to pass laws to force money where it shouldn’t go and fuck everything up worse.
I think number three would be down in the single digits and I totally disagree with number 4
Number three in the single digits!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah right. That’s why no one bankrupts themselves buying drugs…or drinking…or buying porn (because none of these industries are freaken gigantic beyond belief)…or watching TV (what’s the average these days, 4 hours per day?).
I’d suggest that you get out and meet more people but it sounds like you hang out with a dynamic crowd who has their shit together - so obviously you should stick with them.
As for number four, I guess I can’t qoute any scientific studies or polls to know it’s true - I can only comment on what I observe.
I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
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I have lived in multiple states, traveled the US and Canada extensively and been to multiple European countries and have European relatives.
The fact is, luck does play a large role in determining whether or not you get rich.
But luck is NOT a huge factor in determining whether or not you’re poor. People who are poor are more often than not at fault. People who are rich are often those who just had a lot of luck when they were trying to not be poor.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
The fact is, luck does play a large role in determining whether or not you get rich.
But luck is NOT a huge factor in determining whether or not you’re poor. People who are poor are more often than not at fault. People who are rich are often those who just had a lot of luck when they were trying to not be poor.[/quote]
This gets the “Utterly Bullshit Post” award.
Next, you’ll be telling us that the only way people can gain muscle mass are rich people who are lucky enough to use AAS.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
The fact is, luck does play a large role in determining whether or not you get rich.
But luck is NOT a huge factor in determining whether or not you’re poor. People who are poor are more often than not at fault. People who are rich are often those who just had a lot of luck when they were trying to not be poor.[/quote]
What a load of crap.
The average person works less then 40 hours a week, yet the average millionaire works 60 - 80. Luck?
I have personally spent more on a watch then the average millionaire has. Luck? (Edit: meaning I spent too much, and the average millionaire doesn’t waste money on crap like that.)
About 15 to 20 years ago, I used to work with a homeless person. Yes I said I worked with a homeless person. And guess what? He would repeatedly ask me if I would work his shift for him. Luck?
If it is luck, why do half of the big lottery winners end up broke? When a self made millionaire looses everything, why is he more likely to become a millionaire again then the average person? (Actual statistics.)
Building wealth is like building muscle. It doesn’t just happen on its own. You don’t just wake up and the muscle fairy gave you 50 lbs of muscle.
This is no different then the fatties saying, “Oh, its my metabolism, I have that glandular thing.” Or the people who look at anyone who has muscle and says, “They must be on steroids.” Assuming they just took something, and never really worked out.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Just throwing this out there and would like some input:
So I hear all this whining about the dividing gap between the rich and poor in the US.
Well, having spent a little bit of time on earth, I’ve realized a few things:
…So with all that in mind, what’s the problem with such a small number of people having the majority of wealth in the US? Sounds like the cream naturally rising to the top. And any time those with less money feel pissed about it, they are welcome to study how to make money in the US and take action on what they learn.
Beats the hell out of whining about it and trying to pass laws to force money where it shouldn’t go and fuck everything up worse.
I think number three would be down in the single digits and I totally disagree with number 4
Number three in the single digits!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah right. That’s why no one bankrupts themselves buying drugs…or drinking…or buying porn (because none of these industries are freaken gigantic beyond belief)…or watching TV (what’s the average these days, 4 hours per day?).
I’d suggest that you get out and meet more people but it sounds like you hang out with a dynamic crowd who has their shit together - so obviously you should stick with them.
As for number four, I guess I can’t qoute any scientific studies or polls to know it’s true - I can only comment on what I observe.
I have noticed neither you nor Zap have a location on your profile, Have you lived your whole life in one location? What is that location? IF I GREW UP IN Scottsdale AZ and never left this area I would have a narrower point of view than I do have.
I have lived in multiple states, traveled the US and Canada extensively and been to multiple European countries and have European relatives.[/quote]
What is your experience with poverty?
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
The fact is, luck does play a large role in determining whether or not you get rich.
But luck is NOT a huge factor in determining whether or not you’re poor. People who are poor are more often than not at fault. People who are rich are often those who just had a lot of luck when they were trying to not be poor.[/quote]
If you come from an economically depressed area luck will have a greater influence
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
One point every one is forgetting is all the other taxes that the poor pay just like the rich but are a greater percentage of the Poor�??s income. Example Gas tax, sales tax, all the taxes on electricity and all the taxes on phones and I am sure some one has a list of all the taxes we pay. And another tax people pay indirectly is everybody else�??s taxes. Example when you employ me I have to pay my own taxes so you pay more for your services[/quote]
Ah, but these are all volentary. That’s why consuption tax is so attractive. You use choose to us public roads, you pay gas tax. You choose to use gov’t regulated phone service, you pay NECA charges. You choose to use electricity that is public or crosses public rights of way, you pay tax. I find all of these far more tollerable than an income tax.
How can you define gov’t taking 40% of my labor as anything but slavery? 40%!!! I work for the gov’t until the end of may. Then they allow me to work for myself and my family.