Honestly, I think I became a bit lost. It’s like one post is about the anthem and the next about race and crime stats. It seemed like someone was trying to make that point. Anyway, the idea that blacks in this country don’t have a unique experience and you can compare it to other ethnic and/or racial groups is something I think too many want to believe is true.
I’m just hoping that in a grander scheme, this complete trashing of the political landscape will bring about a backlash that will restore the virtue and respect to the officers of our government and people.
Like a socio-political flood or enema. They’re interchangeable at this point.
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I think it’s fair to say some do (how many who know’s).
I don’t think that’s at all what @Drew1411 was getting at and I know that’s not what I was driving at. The excerpt I posted basically said what you’re saying now actually.
It will require that we overhaul our public schools. They have become battlegrounds and laboratories for social issues and experiments rather than places where kids learn how to think rationally. Kids are told what their opinions are supposed to be as teachers can’t seem to keep their opinions to themselves. My daughter hates Trump. I don’t have a problem if she doesn’t like him but when I asked her why she said because her teachers didn’t like him. When I was a kid we sometimes discussed current events but the teachers did not take sides and they did not tell anyone their opinion was wrong.
It makes total sense why people look to news outlets, fake or otherwise, to tell them what to think.
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My response was to somebody saying that the only way for there to be a difference in the statistics was race, when there are many other factors (poverty, for example).
I do think things can be compared, one of the variables being “experience” as you have named it. You can compare people who are in poverty or in the same neighborhoods to see if race/experience is a factor or not. That is not the same things as saying being a certain race is just like everybody else. The point I was making was that there are a number of reasons why a black person commits or is a victim of violence, and focusing on the skin color is a very narrow way of looking at it.
Stick around though, we need some new faces and different view points. This thread is a bit all over the place but it’s the hot topic right now.
The problem with comparing experience is that you have individual experience and group historical experience. I don’t think you can always separate the two.
So because I disagree with you I should go to Westboro Baptist, that’s a way to advance a reasonable dialogue. I am in no way shitting on veterans by disagreeing with you. You do know they take an oath to the constitution correct. Do you have a website for your information you posted? If you want to go back and find the true meaning about the national anthem you would have to go back to why Francis Scott Key wrote it and it wasn’t to honor servicemen.
In 1899, the US Navy official adopted “The Star-Spangled Banner”.[16] In 1916, President Woodrow Wilson ordered that “The Star-Spangled Banner” be played at military[16] and other appropriate occasions. The playing of the song two years later during the seventh-inning stretch of Game One of the 1918 World Series, and thereafter during each game of the series is often cited as the first instance that the anthem was played at a baseball game,[17] though evidence shows that the “Star-Spangled Banner” was performed as early as 1897 at opening day ceremonies in Philadelphia and then more regularly at the Polo Grounds in New York City beginning in 1898. In any case, the tradition of performing the national anthem before every baseball game began in World War II.[18]
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I’m not sure what you mean by this, its not attempting to do that. If you control for other variables you are analyzing you could say there clearly is something else that is causing the difference. Further research would then be done to try and identify what caused the difference.
Is it still offensive when people don’t stand for Religious reasons?
I’ll cut to the chase and do that research for you: the effects of slavery and racism on a group of people.
Can you separate a Jewish person from what it has meant to be Jewish for several centuries?
Even if I wanted to I can’t deny that what it has meant to be Sicilian, i.e. the Sicilian experience, whether it be in Sicily or as an immigrant to this country (like my father), has had an influence on me. One reason is that it influenced the people who influenced me.
It’s easier for people who are from the majority group, the group that has been in power, to ignore these historical, I don’t know…bonds, because they they don’t have any negative correlations. When has it sucked to be a “non-ethnic” white person in this country for being just that?
It’s worse for little people because people think they are sitting.
Also by the way that code does not remain valid read what is actually written.
The U.S. Supreme Court in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) ruled such laws were a violation of the First Amendment of the U.S. constitution. This ruling and others applies to not just the flag, but to the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance as well.
I’m not sure what you are talking about in this context. You don’t fill in the gap when you don’t know something with a guess. I’m not talking about root causes, so even if slavery/racism was the root cause of why someone is in the environment they are in, that isn’t for or against my point
The initial discussion was about murder rates. I was defending black people, saying that there are a number of factors that contribute to the data and skin color is not the cause.
Not sure how you would even approach such a question, nor am I trying to. I am talking about statistically showing how a group behaves based on variables. There are a number of variables that impact human behavior, and research is done to find out how much specific factors impact behavior, such as the role of poverty on violent crime.
I’m not ignoring bonds. Or saying why they are in the situation they are in, I’m just pointing out that the fact black people have a higher poverty rate, the data shows that poverty causes a murder rate that is twice as high.
It goes back to the old “Does life imitate art…” which, in this case it does.
But it isn’t art that life is imitating. Its phantasmagorical garbage.
Poverty can play a role but what role do certain variables play in poverty? Poverty is a variable affected by variables. The point is why waste time trying to isolate variables to explain what we should already know? Do we really need, in 2017, to try and prove via statistical analysis that blacks are not inherently more prone to violence than whites?
The point is that we don’t know, we have guesses (a hypothesis) that we should prove. Saying you know something without proof is unscientific and an easy way to say things that are not correct
If it plays a role, how big of a role?
Yes, we really should. Because the evidence shows there are a number of factors and when other races are in similar situations they behave the same. In fact, the study I posted (from the Bureau of Justice Statistics) showed that poor whites have a slightly higher rate of violence. That would indicate that blacks are not inherently more prone to violence, but black people are in environments that are prone to violence. Only raj has attempted to make the argument about specific races being inferior, and I strongly oppose such thinking.
Do you have any research showing differently?
Not to derail this thread any further with this red herring, the holding of _Barneet _is limited to the Pledge of Allegiance and then further to only those persons with a _bona fide _religious objection to saying the Pledge. Here is the opinion:
That said, no one disputes the holding can be applied to other, similar issues. Indeed, they readily agree. (Although I do see a distinction between those who have a religious conviction vs. a merely social one. Not sure if that is a distinction without a difference, however.)
More to the point, everyone agrees the discussion is not relevant to the purpose behind the playing of the anthem and standing at attention — it is a ceremony to honor your troops.
And it’s a ceremony to which you can participate or not participate, as you wish.
However, if you do not so honor your troops, you are a putz, as is anyone else who fails to so do.
I have been to a fair number of athletic events in my life, and when the PA announcer asks everyone to rise for the anthem, it is always phrased along the lines of ‘Now please rise, and join us in honoring America by singing the National Anthem.’ I don’t think I’ve ever heard an announcer mention anything about honoring the military. Anyone have a similar (or differing) recollection?
Let me preface this by saying I would never do this type of protest and I understand both sides. That being said it is my opinion that the singing of the national anthem and facing the flag is not to honor the troops. For me it is about honoring the United States as a whole not just the military. People are free to add whatever representation or connotation to these symbols they want. The flag was not designed strictly to be a representation to the military that holds true for the National Anthem as well.
Edit:Ed beat me to it.