This is What's Wrong With Abortion

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
…slowly but surely, state by state:

Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage

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Real women have babies, not jobs.[/quote]

Too bad that’s not what the bill says. The bill criminalizes actions taken by women to induce a miscarriage or abortion outside of a doctor’s care

Gee, how unreasonable of them. [/quote]

…true, true. I believe this bill was introduced after a case where a young woman payed a guy 150 bucks to punch her in the stomach when she was 7 months pregnant. The bill states: miscarriages that are considered to have resulted from “intentional, knowing, or reckless behavior”. In the case of the stupid young woman it is clear, but who decides what’s reckless behaviour? A bill like this is just the beginning…
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So, let’s see: first you obviously didn’t even read what you posted up. That was your first boo boo. And to cover up that boo boo you’re now making a ridiculous slippery slope argument that amounts to saying, “we shouldn’t pass reckless driving laws because, well, hey man, like dude, who’s to say what reckless is, huh?” That’s pretty lame. Even for you.

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KJ - You should have posted sooner, wish I could have driven the ‘idiots with a college degree’ away as fast ; ) Maybe they don’t have the degrees in hand yet!? shrug

The bast part? After a week, my question still stands unanswered - define the unborn with medicine that is universally accepted. (I really thought this would be easy for them)

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Your question keeps changing, and “medicine” in the context of your “question” makes no sense (to me anyway).

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Mak, are you serious?? You claim to know all this information because you read an internet post/s somewhere. The question I presented hasn’t changed for something like +2 pages! My God, is your stance is that big of a challenge to defend? Maybe that would be because your fucking [i]WRONG[/i]!! Abortion is murder, nothing less. You are correct, THAT is HARD to defend.

I can not really ask any simpler. With the pro-choice stance, the unborn are not alive and people believe they have the right to erase the unborn from existence. WHY are they so justified? What gives you that right? (I have already posted about the constitution, so don’t play that shitty dance routine)

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Your question keeps changing, and “medicine” in the context of your “question” makes no sense (to me anyway).[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
define the unborn with medicine that is universally accepted.[/quote]

If anyone other than this joker can care to explain what this means, please do. Perhaps I missed a few things about the English language in school.

Specifically the word medicine here, because seriously, it’s not making sense to me.

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so I post the question in a different form and you go BACK to the question you can’t follow!? You are literally too stupid to insult.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
If anyone other than this joker can care to explain what this means, please do. Perhaps I missed a few things about the English language in school.

Specifically the word medicine here, because seriously, it’s not making sense to me.[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
so I post the question in a different form and you go BACK to the question you can’t follow!? You are literally too stupid to insult.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
If anyone other than this joker can care to explain what this means, please do. Perhaps I missed a few things about the English language in school.

Specifically the word medicine here, because seriously, it’s not making sense to me.[/quote]
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Actually, you’re the one who changed it back.

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what the fuck are you rambling about mak? My God, this is an easy question that has only been worded differently. Why do you rant and cry about shit?

define the unborn:

is that confusing for you?

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Actually, you’re the one who changed it back.[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
what the fuck are you rambling about mak? My God, this is an easy question that has only been worded differently. Why do you rant and cry about shit?

define the unborn:

is that confusing for you?
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And now your removing bits off the question. That’s great.

There is a reason I asked someone else to answer and not you, you’re terrible at explaining the things you wrote.

Assuming the definition you want is limited to just those 3 words now, the unborn is a embryo or fetus still inside the mothers womb. From fertilization, up until the point of birth, it is still unborn.

But no, the question will undoubtedly change.

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I have a counter question for you:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Now that is quality English right there mak. You prove to me everyday that you really are too stupid to insult.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have a counter question for you:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?[/quote]

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THE only reason the question changes is because you can’t follow the words of the question. I then present the question in another way and you then complain that about the question changing. Your logic and astuteness is so fucking amazing!! I’m in awe : o

My original statement/question hasn’t changed since I first presented it. Define the unborn. In regards to your answer, its perfect regarding the unborn. Perfect.

And yet, I presented you with four reasons as to why they are just a little different from anyone else. Those SAME differences define every person walking this earth today. Remember Size, Level of development, Environment and Degree of dependency? I’ll use SLED from now on because that’s an easy acronym to type.

Holocausts are wrong because of the mass murder of so many souls. Over six million souls, primarily Jews were wiped out of existence before and during the Second World War.

Abortion is the extermination of [i]FORTY SIX MILLION SOULS[/i], as of today the number is still growing. With SLED, the embryo is [i]ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT[/i] from any person alive today. Some of society thinks abortion is perfectly fine because people don’t want to be responsible for their behavior. Just like the Holocaust of our parents was wrong, the Holocaust of this generation is just as wrong. So how is losing another soul, even close to something that is fine?

Here is a video, I take the time to watch your links/posts and it would be very adult of you to give me the same respect. It’s old ('84) and kind of long at ~29min but I didn’t create the video. The point is there though.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
define the unborn:
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And now your removing bits off the question. That’s great.

There is a reason I asked someone else to answer and not you, you’re terrible at explaining the things you wrote.

Assuming the definition you want is limited to just those 3 words now, the unborn is a embryo or fetus still inside the mothers womb. From fertilization, up until the point of birth, it is still unborn.

But no, the question will undoubtedly change.[/quote]

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First tell me what a soul is and how you know it’s present at the moment of conception.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Now that is quality English right there mak. You prove to me everyday that you really are too stupid to insult.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have a counter question for you:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?[/quote]
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Hook, line and sinker.

I will have a lot of lolz today.

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At least you can laugh at yourself ^ and the picture is just cuz it’s funny ; )

Wiki definition - Commonly believed to be separable in existence from the body–the metaphysical part as distinct from the physical part. The soul is generally conceived as existing within humans.

The definition in no way is “separate” when considering the unborn. How does anyone KNOW the “soul” is NOT there?

Did you watch the link I last provided? The baby is avoiding the instrument because it recognizes the threat, do you really think the baby doesn’t have a clue? If memory serves me right it was somewhere around the ~10-13 min mark. Could be wrong though about the time ; )

btw if I am that hard to follow, where are the other people telling me my language is catching them up shrug

[quote]Makavali wrote:
First tell me what a soul is and how you know it’s present at the moment of conception.[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
How does anyone KNOW the “soul” is NOT there?

[quote]Makavali wrote:
First tell me what a soul is and how you know it’s present at the moment of conception.[/quote]
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Thought so. Answering a question with a question isn’t answering the question at all.

All you’ve done is parrot blind assertions and link videos and tell me to look for myself. All I see is a body reacting to get out of harms way, the same as animals do. Sorry if that offends you, but I have no interest in pursuing a debate with the likes of you.

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jajaja I knew your thinking couldn’t have changed. When I ask a question, I provide my own answer, where is your answer on how you test for another persons soul?

So animals aren’t alive? When does a human gain their soul if they weren’t brought into existence during fertilization? Someone moves out of the way when destruction comes and that doesn’t prove anything?

I didn’t take the time to articulate my thoughts on the definition of a “soul” yet here it is now - The soul is an ontological reality distinct from, yet integrally connected with, the body.

Mak there is NO TEST for the “essence” of a living being, even as I am talking to you, that doesn’t prove I have a soul. There are 4 differences between the unborn and every person walking this earth. You don’t even admit or challenge those points? Nice!

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Thought so. Answering a question with a question isn’t answering the question at all.

All you’ve done is parrot blind assertions and link videos and tell me to look for myself. All I see is a body reacting to get out of harms way, the same as animals do. Sorry if that offends you, but I have no interest in pursuing a debate with the likes of you.[/quote]

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Mak you brought a “soul” into the discussion, so here is 3 sources about the soul:

“Do Embryos Have Souls?”, Father Tadeusz Pacholczyk, PhD, Catholic Education Resource Center

“Embryos have souls? What nonsense”, by Matthew Syed, May 12, 2008, The Times

“The Soul of the Embryo: An Enquiry into the Status of the Human Embryo in the Christian Tradition”, by David Albert Jones, Continuum Press, 2005, ISBN-13 978-0826462961

I didn’t want ethics to be brought into the thread, if this point dies here, fine with me. You still need to prove the embryo is NOT alive.

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Just CATching up…

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You’re reaching and reading far too much into what I write.

I’m done responding to the likes of you.