Thinnest Test Needle

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Yeah youre right, I’ve no idea what my baseline levels are. This is what I will be going to the doc for this coming Friday.

I wanna inject “a smidge over TRT levels” because I had assumed TRT means levels that are as close to your normal test production as possible… I want a smidge over that because I want a little bit more muslce… but not much more… 190 i think is a good weight for me and id like to keep it at that till little people start calling me grandpa. I’m 176-177 right now and Im starting to feel heavy, but I’m not at a point where its annoying…I like to feel still somewhat light on my feet… I wanna be a beefy sports car, not a tractor.

…and I DO have an IDEA in terms of steroid use. I made this quite clear I thought. Simple stuff: Test, Deca, Eq… etc. I’ve never used these before though and I recognize that all I do have is an IDEA. All I’ve had is an Idea because it wasnt worth it to me to figure out in great detail what cycle I would use in terms of injectables because I never thought I could ever get over the needles. So I thought… well… maybe you can use really thin needles… I know I can handle those… and it turns out you can. These people arent giving me advise on what to use… theyre telling me whats possible; which is exactly what i was looking for.

And as far as therapy and support… I got nolva, arimidex, hcg, and letro on hand as we speak… I think I’ll be ok in that department if thats what you mean by therapy.

So anyhow, I’m just another guy trying to figure out if this is possible, and worth it for me…and if it is… how to do so. The only way to do that is to read and soak up expert advice. Chill.

[quote]pcdude wrote:
The OP has no idea of what his hormone levels are, but wants to inject “a smidge above TRT levels”, doesn’t want to gain much muscle, has no idea what he wants to do in terms of steroid use or any other therapy for that matter, and everyone is providing advise on the length and gauge of needles he should be using. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?[/quote]

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Aww man… What the fuck has happened to this forum! It went to shit a little while after I joined originally in 05, prisoner stopped posting, that guy with reagan in his Avatar… buahahaha, still good though, better than the others…

You probably do not ever need more than a 25g for anything, if you can get it in an inch length, most common in 5/8ths I think… and you are lean you can use that on any of the major sites (glute, delt, thigh, ventrogluteal??) or is the VG calling for a smaller one, conjecture for me as I have never gone in there…

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[quote]spinsykel wrote:
Yeah youre right, I’ve no idea what my baseline levels are. This is what I will be going to the doc for this coming Friday.

I wanna inject “a smidge over TRT levels” because I had assumed TRT means levels that are as close to your normal test production as possible… I want a smidge over that because I want a little bit more muslce… but not much more… 190 i think is a good weight for me and id like to keep it at that till little people start calling me grandpa. I’m 176-177 right now and Im starting to feel heavy, but I’m not at a point where its annoying…I like to feel still somewhat light on my feet… I wanna be a beefy sports car, not a tractor.

…and I DO have an IDEA in terms of steroid use. I made this quite clear I thought. Simple stuff: Test, Deca, Eq… etc. I’ve never used these before though and I recognize that all I do have is an IDEA. All I’ve had is an Idea because it wasnt worth it to me to figure out in great detail what cycle I would use in terms of injectables because I never thought I could ever get over the needles. So I thought… well… maybe you can use really thin needles… I know I can handle those… and it turns out you can. These people arent giving me advise on what to use… theyre telling me whats possible; which is exactly what i was looking for.

And as far as therapy and support… I got nolva, arimidex, hcg, and letro on hand as we speak… I think I’ll be ok in that department if thats what you mean by therapy.

So anyhow, I’m just another guy trying to figure out if this is possible, and worth it for me…and if it is… how to do so. The only way to do that is to read and soak up expert advice. Chill.

[quote]pcdude wrote:
The OP has no idea of what his hormone levels are, but wants to inject “a smidge above TRT levels”, doesn’t want to gain much muscle, has no idea what he wants to do in terms of steroid use or any other therapy for that matter, and everyone is providing advise on the length and gauge of needles he should be using. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?[/quote]
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I hope you didn’t take offense - just wanted to make sure we are keeping the big picture in mind before we get hooked up on the details. Gathering information before you make any big decision in life is of course a good thing.

Injecting a “smidge above TRT levels” won’t buy you much other than shutting down your natural production. To see any real gains during any cycle using anabolic compounds you need to use several times these levels. How long have you been training? If you only need to put on 10-15 lbs of lean mass, that can be easily accomplished with hard training and a good diet. Assuming your hormone levels are good after getting checked by your doctor, you need to really assess your goals and the risks/benefits of using any drug to achieve them. Knowledge is power applies here.

As far as the needle phobia issue - the first self-injection is always scary regardless of how big/small the needle is. After that, you realize that it is not a big deal after all, and the choice should be based on practical considerations (draw time, injection location, plunger pressure, etc.).

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[quote]morepain wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If you had a serious fear of flying/heights would you go about looking for the best places to skydive, before trying to get over your phobias??

the fuck has the common sense gone???[/quote]

obama is in the white house common sense was outlawed [/quote]

I hope you’re not implying that any politician holds even a moderate level of common sense.

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For the most part, 150-200mg of testostone will result in high normal levels in all men. It is not as if there is no connection between dose and plasma T levels

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What do you think would happen if i took a dose of say… 30mg per week of cyp.
Would that suppress most people do you think? or is it low enough to not break a suppression threshold if there is one? is there one you think?

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
For the most part, 150-200mg of testostone will result in high normal levels in all men. It is not as if there is no connection between dose and plasma T levels[/quote]

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[quote]egnatiosj wrote:

[quote]morepain wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If you had a serious fear of flying/heights would you go about looking for the best places to skydive, before trying to get over your phobias??

the fuck has the common sense gone???[/quote]

obama is in the white house common sense was outlawed [/quote]

I hope you’re not implying that any politician holds even a moderate level of common sense. [/quote]

good point

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is this with total shutdown? or are you saying the net effect of the dose and ongoing test production is high/normal. will this cause total shutdown?

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
For the most part, 150-200mg of testostone will result in high normal levels in all men. It is not as if there is no connection between dose and plasma T levels[/quote]

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[quote]spinsykel wrote:
What do you think would happen if i took a dose of say… 30mg per week of cyp.
Would that suppress most people do you think? or is it low enough to not break a suppression threshold if there is one? is there one you think?

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
For the most part, 150-200mg of testostone will result in high normal levels in all men. It is not as if there is no connection between dose and plasma T levels[/quote]
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Your HPTA will compensate and cause you to produce less of your own - your body has a negative feedback loop between your pituitary and your testicals to try to maintain stable levels. Anything over what you would normally produce will cause total shutdown. In practice, this is around 70 mg/week for young adult males. 100 mg/week of test ester will produce that amount when injected. 150-200 mg/week would produce levels that are way above the high-normal range for most males.

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I looked up negative feedback loop. I understand. Thanks.