Things That Piss You Off

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2843

It is profiling, but it’s not racial profiling. We call it criminal profiling.

How do you think we address our violent crime problems? We target gang members and known violent offenders and stop them for anything we can. The more attention we give them, the less likely they are to shoot someone or commit a drive-by. It works.

People think it’s racist because they’re black, but I don’t really know what else to do. We don’t have a white gang problem…

Our white criminals are into smoking meth and stealing. Our black criminals are into crack and stealing or gang violence. Our Hispanic criminals are also into drugs and stealing or gang violence.

The tipping point for getting special attention is the violent part.

And lastly, what am I supposed to do? I work in a black community. There just aren’t many white people out and about. If I was worried about hurting feelings then I wouldn’t be able to stop/arrest anyone.

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2844

Dude, you have a very tough job, I admit that.

I worked in Brooklyn, my school was in the 75th Precinct, the most violent precinct in all five boroughs

Do you realize how badly you would be excoriated if you used words like

In Brooklyn, that’s all code for blacks. They, are not us, so when you use that term, you’re talking about blacks.

It’s a rough world for you, and me as a teacher. Except for me, when I talk about them, it’s the Jewish people in my district.

No good deed goes unpunished.

2845

It’s only racial profiling if it is caused by hatred for that group or feeling of superiority towards that group. If that isn’t the motivation, then it is profiling.

This nuance has been blurred.
Racism requires hatred
Discrimination is treating someone different good or bad
Profiling is using what you see, hear and smell to make an assumption. It’s neutral.

2846

Google search says,

the recording and analysis of a person’s psychological and behavioral characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying a particular subgroup of people.

So, @dchris, you bring up a good point. If it identifies a subgroup, isnt that a product of hatred.

And, not to out you, but you do live in the home of Proud Boys who the mayor and the police department protect - hence Trump calling the mayor out.

By the way, Clutschman got promoted to Delmarva.

2847

LMAO.

2848

No, that’s someone adopting a victim mentality and trying to distract everyone from seeing what they’re really doing.

That’s what’s wrong with the world. People interpret neutral words as offensive and make a big deal out of it. It’s like being a bully. They bully people into behaving differently.

Here’s our definition:
Racial or other biased-based policing: means the unreasonable use of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, or religion by a law enforcement officer in deciding to initiate an enforcement action. It is not racial or other biased-based policing when race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or religion is used in combination with other identifying factors as part of a specific individual description to initiate an enforcement action.

2849

Depends, are we saying all people of this sub-group are _____. Can the ______ be a good thing? I would agree, blanket statements to demonize a group is racism.

The point I was making, which you quoted, is the line between profiling and racial profiling is blurred. Questioning a person for wearing ____, while carrying a tv, in an area where a store was robbed isn’t racial profiling. If you’re just questioning someone because they’re black and carrying a tv, that’s probably racial profiling.

What’s your point? Should I move to a state that is blemish free from all societal injustice? Antifa is also very prevalent in my state.

Any comment, or just make you laugh?

It’s human nature to profile. As long as we have senses, we will assign groups to things we observe. I see a person tweaking out on, what I presume to be amphetamines, at the store I will avoid them.

2850

I’m pretty sure he got called out for protecting antifa.

2851

Duh. Why do you think Al Sharpton has a following? Involuntary immigrants that have been marginalized by The Man.

Yes, and the sooner white patriarchy realizes it, the sooner we can stop it.

So, nigger, kike, honky are all offensive because we made a big deal out of it?

Yes, so I’m standing up to bullies by flying my confederate flag and calling people niggers and kikes. Don’t shut me down you bully.

I realize I am being polemic, but, does anybody else see a problem with this.

And, to circle back, can’t you turn your body camera off?

TBH, I know you have a tough job, a no win situation, and I apologize for being devil’s advocate (a dick), but, let’s be honest.

What is the African American population as a percentage of Murrica?

What is the African American population as a percentage of prisons in Murrica?

And, here’s the Bloom’s taxonomy question, why do you think there is such a difference?

2852

You know I was born in 1984 and none of that has occurred in my lifetime, and definitely not in my career.

Look up the Department of Justice crime statistics. They don’t gather the data every year and the most recent I saw was from 2016. The statistics break it down pretty well. Overall, white people commit more violent crimes, but per capita, black people blow us out of the water. I just remembered that I posted a link in my log a while back. Here it is. I can’t explain why things are the way they are, but I’m tired of people blaming other people for their choices.

From my perspective (and experience), it’s nothing to do with white or black or green. It’s simple choices. Broken homes lead to broken lives. If you have children and completely ignore them then they grow up to be selfish jerks (violent, too).

And don’t give me that crap about opportunity. For kids, yeah, they don’t get a choice. But they have a choice when they grow up to do the same thing their crappy parents did or to be different. If they choose the selfish path then that’s on them.

School is free, and you don’t even have to do well to graduate. College scholarships and grants are more available to minorities than to someone like me. Failing to apply for such things is not oppression.

The solution isn’t to blame the white man. The solution is to promote and build healthy families. That will lead to strong communities. And that will make a difference in the world. Until then, things will continue to get worse.

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2853

I just wanted to highlight the word “unreasonable” here. This is a nuance that gets missed too often. Something is not discriminatory if it is evidence based.

2854

I haven’t read through the rest of the post, but I’ll tell you this, I graduated college in 1986.

So true. This is institutional racism. Black fathers were encouraged to leave the home because black mothers got more governmental support if the father wasn’t at home.

When there isn’t a strong male role model in the house, the kids tend to find other role models - gangsters.

I can guarantee you that my school is a lot different than the school that I taught at in the 75th precinct. It might be free, but for the kids in Brooklyn, it sucks.

You got that right.

MAGA.

You do realize there is institutional racism, that black men were encouraged to leave the home by welfare, that black men make up a disproportionate amount of incarcerated males, that a lack of a strong male figure allows for gangs to foment?

This is what reparations are about. It is the man. You are the man, We are the man.

We didn’t do it, but, we need to fix it.

I know I sound like a bleeding heart liberal, and I guess I am, but I was a Reagan Republican. I’m a centrist. I don’t think reparations are right, but we need to understand, we fucked black people - slavery, welfare, redlining.

I know I am dumb as fuck, but, bro - I am 56 in a few days. Consider what I am saying.

My brother would call me an idiot, and many others may too, but, this is Murrica.

Just think about it.

2855

So Cops are “them” not us. That’s a pretty racial assumption.
At a party the A-hole always stands out, you don’t have to be a cop to see that.
The same goes with the drunks, as for the “using” I don’t really know the term, sorry.
Do I trust somebody, as a human being I trust everybody, but then again, if somebody lies I’ve got a pretty good instinct at knowing it.

I bend some rules a bit, I speed as well. I’ve even got fined in a patrol car. And it’s not because I’m a cop I think it’s okay. I haven’t fined anyone for speeding in several years.
I do not bend any rules regarding to arresting, doing search and the likes.

I could respond with “I’ve never met a cop that bended the rules” but I can’t. But it’s very few, and they are not officers anymore.

When I was very young I did drive and and drink, I’m not proud of it, I’ve been a cop for more than 30 years and in those 30 years and you could put some more to it, I haven’t been driving and drinking.

I have never falsified any police reports, I’ve never met anyone who did it.

Many many years ago there where cops who was drinking and where alcoholic’s not anymore.

Yes we can take a nap during night time, but we rarely do it, and not everybody at the same time.

Maybe it’s different to be a cop where I live vs the states, but I don’t think so.

You calls us (again we are not one of you) out for being racist, because we arrest a black individual.
In my turf we got several gangs, most of them are not native, they (the gang members) persists of maybe 75 - 80 percent not native.
Therefore I do arrest a lot of black og brown people.
The traffic police do fine mostly white people.
Burglars tends to be a 50/50 percent of each.

I do get called out for being a racist, despite I’ve got several black or brown people as my friends. I really hate the victim cry of you’re a racist when I book them for dealing drugs, robbing or beating some innocent poor dude.

I’m looking at myself as a knight in shiny armour, with the sole purpose in life to bother those people who bothers other people.
And gang members to bother other people, and they bother the poor soles that doesn’t have the stamina to put up against them, mostly they are very young, they have a mental state (don’t know how else to say it), they are addicted, or it’s old people.

Last week we took down 8 dudes that during a long period of time had emptied old womens bank accounts by making a phone call claiming they were from the bank. I really really enjoy to put someone like them to prison and I don’t care if they’re black or white.

Sorry for the rant, but you called me out.

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2856

No apologies necessary, and I didn’t call you out - I tagged you because I wanted your input, and I thank you greatly for weighing in.

Frankly, Denmark is probably closer to Iowa than to New York.

You know a coupe of Nassau cops (a county on the west end of Long Island) shot a cab driver because he was revving his engine - shot him eight times I think, in Suffolk county. They were drunk as fuck.

They said he revved his car and accelerated towards them, and the revving of the engine freaked them out, so off duty, they shot him eight times.

They were Nassau county cops, and the Suffolk county cops backed them up, verified their story.

The car was a Prius.

They shot him eight times.

2857

Don’t you worry. Whites get arrested for violent crimes more than blacks in total (see below). It’s just that black areas have higher crime rates and young black men commit more violent crimes per capita than young white men.

Now venturing a guess as to “why” is where we get into “racist” territory. It’s pretty dumb to describe the motivations of an entire group of people with any degree of confidence. Even if that’s your job… it’s definitely broad brush territory. We can look at the headwinds affecting certain communities (fatherless/single parent homes, child abuse, substance abuse, poverty, high school dropout rates etc…) but that’s correlation not causation.

One thing that blew my mind recently in the quote below. If 60% is a real number for underage black girls and sexual assault… that is just plain broken. The entire point of parents is to protect children, what is going on? This should be the top story every day all day until somebody does something about it.

Higher, denser crime areas need more policing. More police enforcement means more arrests. I don’t know what to tell you. After Ferguson when cops slow walked enforcement and sat on their hands, violent crime rates went up and community leaders got mad.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

According to the Black Women’s Blueprint, approximately 60 percentof Black girls will experience sexual assault by the time they turn 18.

http://aapf.org/privateviolence

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2858

Might be a wrong word to use, but english isn’t my first language and I’m as old as you are, so bare with me.

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Bro, you got cred with me.

I think this is a really important topic, and I am a bit of a dick, so I appreciate you and @Frank_C hanging with me.

My brother has a .380, two nines, an AR15, and four shotguns. About five thousand rounds of ammo, and about $50K cash in his safe.

I’m really not a liberal.

2860

What caused these issues?

yes.

And cops are directed - look at Portland. The Mayor tells the cops what to do.

And, Pantaleo, just saying - he killed a man for selling loose cigarettes and it took them five years to fire him.

2861

He would go to jail have he lived in Denmark. Unless it was used solely on a legal shooting range and he was a member of a club.

I do only have one pistol (EDIT, and it’s not really mine, it belongs to the police) and it’s locked up safely at my station when I’m not at work.
Weapons are considered very dangerous in Denmark, and you are not allowed to buy them unless you are member of a club and only using them at the shooting range.
Rifles and side by side shotguns for hunting are legal if you have a permit.

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My brother has a conceal carry permit in 46 states. Two of the others are open carry.

How many mass shootings did you have last year?