The Worst Gun Bill Yet

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Except that my previous post makes a grand total of one (1) post I’ve made about the subject.

Good, if you don’t feel passionate about the Bill of Rights, feel free to not post.

I know it may seem that way to you, but the Bill of Right does not equal the 2nd Amendment. The other ones are much more important. [/quote]

Without the 2nd amendment all our other rights aren’t worth the parchment they are written on. Which is why the founding fathers put the right to keep and bear arms so near the top of the list in the bill of rights.

An overlooked element of the 2nd amendment is it defines the peoples relationship with the government. By guaranteeing the people the means of rebellion, the 2nd amendment says that the people are to be trusted, instead of suspected. Because of this presumption of innocence and trustworthyness we are able to claim other rights. Like freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, being secure in our person from unreasonable searches and siezures.

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Again, please think about things before you post, people.

BS. The 2nd Amendment guarantees the government’s commitment to abide by all the others.

Haha! I was hoping this would come up. If you actually think your AR-15, or your Glock with extended pre-ban magazine, or your Benelli tactical shotgun are going to do shit to help you if the government actually came to get you, then any further discussion with you is a waste of time. [/quote]

Why not? That is exactly how a civilian militia kept the US government from arresting a man named Al Sadr.

If the people have the right to be trusted with the means of armed rebellion it naturally follows that they are to be allowed other means of rebellion.

If the people are not to be trusted with arms they need to be vulnerable to be searched at anytime to make sure they don’t have them.

Enforcing a weapons ban gives the government the perfect excuse to be intrusive and authoritarian.

Then there is the lawlessness that results from people being redered defenseless. This gives the government another excuse to crack down on civil liberties. It’s a viscious circle, as gun ownership becomes more restricted lawlessness increases. In turn the government then is needed to step in to fill gaps in security it has created.

The reason why the Republicans originally got into supporting 2nd amendment rights was so Southern Republicans and Freedmen (African Americans) could protect themselves from violent reprisals from southern Democrats.

With this last statement you have proven that very little has changed with you Democrats, because you still want to lynche all who oppose you. So thanks for proving why we still need the 2nd amendment.

I don’t know how hard obama will try to push gun bans, but I do know that I will be stocking up on AR lower receivers and high cap mags.


Just a few of the calibers a well-equipped AR can handle.

[quote]brownab wrote:
I don’t know how hard obama will try to push gun bans, but I do know that I will be stocking up on AR lower receivers and high cap mags. [/quote]

Might not be a bad idea to buy a few barreled uppers also, in a variety of calibers like 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 9mm, 10mm, .45 ACP and 22LR. If your wallet can handle it (to say nothing of your shoulder) you also might consider an upper in .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM.

I’m not a particular fan of the AR platform, but even I can’t deny its fantastic versatility. Just by switching upper receivers, you effectively have a rifle that will handle any military small-arm ammunition you may encounter, and additionally will allow you to hunt any animal on the North American continent. From mouse to moose, in thirty seconds (or however long it takes you to swap uppers).

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Just a few of the calibers a well-equipped AR can handle.

brownab wrote:
I don’t know how hard obama will try to push gun bans, but I do know that I will be stocking up on AR lower receivers and high cap mags.

Might not be a bad idea to buy a few barreled uppers also, in a variety of calibers like 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 9mm, 10mm, .45 ACP and 22LR. If your wallet can handle it (to say nothing of your shoulder) you also might consider an upper in .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM.

I’m not a particular fan of the AR platform, but even I can’t deny its fantastic versatility. Just by switching upper receivers, you effectively have a rifle that will handle any military small-arm ammunition you may encounter, and additionally will allow you to hunt any animal on the North American continent. From mouse to moose, in thirty seconds (or however long it takes you to swap uppers).
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9mm
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.243 - If you want a combo for varmint/atelope/deer. Popular cartridge as well.

www.olyarms.com

.204 Ruger - If you want a kick-ass varmint cartridge. I am thinking about getting the ultra match in 24" to save some coin.
.308 - pretty popular cartridge. Military and law enforcement still use it as well. Could use it for deer/elk.

www.accuracysystemsinc.com

If you want uppers for popular cartridges you may come accross in a pinch I would start with:

.223 Rem/5.56 Nato
.308 Win/7.62 Nato
9mm
.40 S&W
.45 ACP

If you want the uppers for cartidges that will provide the most useful for hunting or all around used, I would do:

.204 ruger - Varmint
.243 Win - Antelope/Deer - could use this for varmint as well
.308 Win - Moose/Caribou/Deer - I guess Elk since there really isn’t anything better for an AR. Long range anyway.
.450 Bushmaster would be good for large targets at medium range. maybe 200 yards.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
Also, what is the point of banning a rifle with a 15" barrel but keeping the same gun legal if it has a longer barrel. Special interest groups don?t do “logical” very well, they just do ?emotional? very well. Politician don’t care and long as the special interest groups are happy.

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You know what I think is funny?

The fact that a rifle with a 16-inch barrel is legal, and a handgun with a 15-inch barrel is legal, but if you put a shoulder stock onto that handgun, it becomes an instant NFA violation.

Behold the Enforcer. It’s a perfectly legal .30 carbine pistol (an oxymoron, I know: rather like a “.45 Colt Smith & Wesson”) with a 10 1/4 inch barrel. Attach a flimsy wire “paratrooper” folding shoulder stock, and this pistol becomes a fearsome illegal “assault weapon,” but in its present configuration, the BATFE says it’s A-OK.

As an aside, I wouldn’t mind having one of these, if it were in something like 44 Auto-mag.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

As an aside, I wouldn’t mind having one of these, if it were in something like 44 Auto-mag.[/quote]

Ruger Deerfield would fit that bill.

[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Varqanir wrote:

As an aside, I wouldn’t mind having one of these, if it were in something like 44 Auto-mag.

Ruger Deerfield would fit that bill.[/quote]

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

i don’t see much point in .223 pistol, but these are kind of cool.

wouldn’t mind one in .44mag or .50 AE

I just bought a wood stock Ruger mini-14GB w/ a 30 round mag. Freakin love it, Im thinking about trying to find a nice composite stock with a pistiol grip.

Does anyone know if they exist?

Is anyone planning on complying with this ridiculous piece of legislation?

[quote]fearlesswarrior wrote:
I just bought a wood stock Ruger mini-14GB w/ a 30 round mag. Freakin love it, Im thinking about trying to find a nice composite stock with a pistiol grip.

Does anyone know if they exist?[/quote]

You can get a composite folding stock with a pistol grip. You can just detatch the folding stock. Are you wanting to just buy the stock and use your rifled barrel? Not sure if I’ve seen just the stock.

The other option would be to get a target rifle stock and do some cutting. They have the thumb loop/pistol grip.