The Wilding of Sarah Palin

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]debraD wrote:
It comes as no surprise to me that misogyny exists in the left. A brief conversation with liberals about Anne Coulter will tell all on that matter, never mind Palin. I have no love for either, by the way.

But, given the choice between right wing misogyny and left wing misogyny I’ll take left wing anytime. At least even if for the right or wrong reasons, we still support the same issues somewhat. Bear in mind though, when you Americans say left, to my leftist Canadian brain, you mean centre.[/quote]

I like the my view of women, you can work if you want, but I’d rather you stay home and let me do the money making. Mostly because I fucking love pies, and it’s hard to make a pie sitting in a business meeting.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
debraD wrote:
It comes as no surprise to me that misogyny exists in the left. A brief conversation with liberals about Anne Coulter will tell all on that matter, never mind Palin. I have no love for either, by the way.

But, given the choice between right wing misogyny and left wing misogyny I’ll take left wing anytime. At least even if for the right or wrong reasons, we still support the same issues somewhat. Bear in mind though, when you Americans say left, to my leftist Canadian brain, you mean centre.

I like the my view of women, you can work if you want, but I’d rather you stay home and let me do the money making. Mostly because I fucking love pies, and it’s hard to make a pie sitting in a business meeting.[/quote]

Well my view is more fiscally responsible since I probably make more money than you and can buy pies better than anything I could bake :stuck_out_tongue:

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How about those women who can bake delicious pies and have a successful career? Or the ones who can trap shoot and also nurture her children? Or a combo of all of the above?

IMO I would say those women are found more on the conservative side. The women found on the left side of the aisle refuse to balance two things that can definitely be balanced such as career and motherhood or a really guy-ish activity and a really girl-ly activity.

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[quote]AmericanGirl wrote:
How about those women who can bake delicious pies and have a successful career? Or the ones who can trap shoot and also nurture her children? Or a combo of all of the above?

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There’s not too many of those in the public eye. And the ones who are, are overshadowed by the single women with great careers and no family.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
debraD wrote:
It comes as no surprise to me that misogyny exists in the left. A brief conversation with liberals about Anne Coulter will tell all on that matter, never mind Palin. I have no love for either, by the way.

But, given the choice between right wing misogyny and left wing misogyny I’ll take left wing anytime. At least even if for the right or wrong reasons, we still support the same issues somewhat. Bear in mind though, when you Americans say left, to my leftist Canadian brain, you mean centre.

I like the my view of women, you can work if you want, but I’d rather you stay home and let me do the money making. Mostly because I love fucking pies, and it’s hard to do sitting in a business meeting.

I had to fix that. Couldn’t pass it up.[/quote]

Damn first time that has happened to me.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
debraD wrote:
It comes as no surprise to me that misogyny exists in the left. A brief conversation with liberals about Anne Coulter will tell all on that matter, never mind Palin. I have no love for either, by the way.

But, given the choice between right wing misogyny and left wing misogyny I’ll take left wing anytime. At least even if for the right or wrong reasons, we still support the same issues somewhat. Bear in mind though, when you Americans say left, to my leftist Canadian brain, you mean centre.

I like the my view of women, you can work if you want, but I’d rather you stay home and let me do the money making. Mostly because I fucking love pies, and it’s hard to make a pie sitting in a business meeting.

Well my view is more fiscally responsible since I probably make more money than you and can buy pies better than anything I could bake :-P[/quote]

You got me there, I do not bring home very much money. However, that is because I only pay myself when I need the cash, and being single means I am responsible only for myself (besides my family) most of the time. That being said, all my personal items such as my vehicles, house, etc. were paid for in full.

Edit: Although, I do not know how much money you actually make (I’ll show you mine if you show me yours?), so I could not say if you make more than me.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

There’s a few out there. For instance I know of this one woman who:

Fishes
Hunts
Shoots
Cooks
Is a wife and mother of five
Was a governor
And a Vice Presidential candidate of a major party
And successful author
And is pretty and stay in shape

BUT YET is still disliked, hated and despised by many on this thread and elsewhere. Yeah, the woman who has done it all but is still hated by liberals. Still hated by feminists. I have to think this has a whole lot more to do with the haterz than it does the subject of the hate. Correct me where I’m wrong, O Learned Ones.

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All that, but you know she’s loathed by the Left for one reason and one reason only:

Stance on Abortion.

Look at other relatively significant (I use that term loosely) conservative women, two from my very liberal state: Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Christine Todd Whitman. All Republican. All hold very similar (fiscal) positions to Palin. All describe the importance of families. All ‘moderate’ (as described by the media) and ‘respected’ by liberals even if they disagree on some things.

The difference? All pro-choice.

I maintain that the real difference (in reality not in principle since both spend like crazy) between the two modern parties are stances on Abortion and ‘Gay Rights’.

Everything else is just a detail to bicker about.

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Coming at this from the other side:

I don’t hate Palin and I think the way she’s been treated in the press is despicable and sexist. Women in politics get more hate than men. Hillary Clinton got the foulest attacks even when Bill was president and she was only his wife – I think of this as the “Marie Antoinette effect.” It happens with pundits: Michele Bachmann and Ann Coulter and Rachel Maddow get more hate than their male counterparts. Everyone gets insulted in politics, but it’s women who get gendered insults, insults about their anatomy, allegations that they’re not “really” women, etc.

Palin is inflammatory, though. It’s stretching the truth to say she’s the equivalent of Olympia Snowe and Christine Todd Whitman. They’re much more moderate; in fact the Maine senators are among the last moderate Republicans in Congress. Fiscally and socially. Palin has never positioned herself as a moderate.

If she makes me angry, then yes, it’s because she’s a social conservative, a fairly radical one. I don’t like that wing of the Republican Party.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
pushharder wrote:

There’s a few out there. For instance I know of this one woman who:

Fishes
Hunts
Shoots
Cooks
Is a wife and mother of five
Was a governor
And a Vice Presidential candidate of a major party
And successful author
And is pretty and stay in shape

BUT YET is still disliked, hated and despised by many on this thread and elsewhere. Yeah, the woman who has done it all but is still hated by liberals. Still hated by feminists. I have to think this has a whole lot more to do with the haterz than it does the subject of the hate. Correct me where I’m wrong, O Learned Ones.

All that, but you know she’s loathed by the Left for one reason and one reason only:

Stance on Abortion.

Look at other relatively significant (I use that term loosely) conservative women, two from my very liberal state: Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Christine Todd Whitman. All Republican. All hold very similar (fiscal) positions to Palin. All describe the importance of families. All ‘moderate’ (as described by the media) and ‘respected’ by liberals even if they disagree on some things.

The difference? All pro-choice.

I maintain that the real difference (in reality not in principle since both spend like crazy) between the two modern parties are stances on Abortion and ‘Gay Rights’.

Everything else is just a detail to bicker about.
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Yup.

And really I don’t think that the fact that a woman fishes or shoots either makes her a role model for feminists everywhere or that it is relevant to her politics. Of course all those things might seem a bit more impressive if your base expectation of women is already low because really they only put her at the same level as any male politician except she gave birth, something the majority of women do. (Isn’t that a little bit like saying everyone should like Obama, because unlike the other black men, he’s articulate? :-P) But honestly, none of those things impresses me for someone who was a vice presidential candidate.

Plus do you really expect feminists to just run and vote for a woman simply because she is a woman? What does Palin actually offer that feminists should be supporting? And how does that negate her stance on abortion, which is to many feminists a fundamental issue for determining how pro-woman a politician really is? (whether you agree with the stance or not, that it is the most important issue to feminists is a fact.)

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
debraD wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
debraD wrote:
It comes as no surprise to me that misogyny exists in the left. A brief conversation with liberals about Anne Coulter will tell all on that matter, never mind Palin. I have no love for either, by the way.

But, given the choice between right wing misogyny and left wing misogyny I’ll take left wing anytime. At least even if for the right or wrong reasons, we still support the same issues somewhat. Bear in mind though, when you Americans say left, to my leftist Canadian brain, you mean centre.

I like the my view of women, you can work if you want, but I’d rather you stay home and let me do the money making. Mostly because I fucking love pies, and it’s hard to make a pie sitting in a business meeting.

Well my view is more fiscally responsible since I probably make more money than you and can buy pies better than anything I could bake :stuck_out_tongue:

You got me there, I do not bring home very much money. However, that is because I only pay myself when I need the cash, and being single means I am responsible only for myself (besides my family) most of the time. That being said, all my personal items such as my vehicles, house, etc. were paid for in full.

Edit: Although, I do not know how much money you actually make (I’ll show you mine if you show me yours?), so I could not say if you make more than me.[/quote]

Heh well I was just making a point and don’t plan on sharing that (besides I could just make it up) but I was also making an assumption based on what I think is your age. :wink:

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[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Palin is inflammatory, though. It’s stretching the truth to say she’s the equivalent of Olympia Snowe and Christine Todd Whitman. They’re much more moderate; in fact the Maine senators are among the last moderate Republicans in Congress. Fiscally and socially. Palin has never positioned herself as a moderate.

If she makes me angry, then yes, it’s because she’s a social conservative, a fairly radical one. I don’t like that wing of the Republican Party. [/quote]

You’ve just strengthened my point. The only thing ‘socially moderate’ about Snowe and Collins, both of whom I’ve spoken with, is that they are pro-choice.

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[quote]AmericanGirl wrote:
How about those women who can bake delicious pies and have a successful career? Or the ones who can trap shoot and also nurture her children? Or a combo of all of the above?

IMO I would say those women are found more on the conservative side. The women found on the left side of the aisle refuse to balance two things that can definitely be balanced such as career and motherhood or a really guy-ish activity and a really girl-ly activity.
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lol. Yes, clearly, conservative women are better than women from the left. :stuck_out_tongue:

I have no interest in baking pies. In my world that is not a refusal that is just living. I have no need to balance any such frilly shit just to maintain my femininity. I don’t really give a rat’s ass if that does or doesn’t turn on conservatives or anyone else for that matter. If I actually felt like baking a pie, I’m confident I could muster enough estrogen to get the task done.

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Well, Susan Collins also voted against harsher punishments for drug users and amending the Constitution to prohibit gay marriage. She’s a member of Republicans for Environmental Protection. She broke with her party to confirm Sonia Sotomayor. She’s been seeking a comprehensive energy bill.

On the economic side, she voted for the stimulus.

It’s not abortion alone. She has a more moderate record in general.

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I don’t hate the gun shooting, successful woman, nurturing mother Palin. I hate the sound-byte machine, product of her handlers, wolf in sheep’s clothing attack on my character as unamerican for daring to disagree Sarah Palin.

I think Sarah Palin would have been the blockbuster McCain was looking for had she toned down that bullshit “[b]I[/b] represent the ‘real America’” shtick.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
AmericanGirl wrote:
How about those women who can bake delicious pies and have a successful career? Or the ones who can trap shoot and also nurture her children? Or a combo of all of the above?

There’s not too many of those in the public eye. And the ones who are, are overshadowed by the single women with great careers and no family.

There’s a few out there. For instance I know of this one woman who:

Fishes

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Hunts

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Shoots

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Cooks

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Is a wife and mother of five

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Was a governor

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And a Vice Presidential candidate of a major party

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And successful author

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And is pretty and stay in shape

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BUT YET is still disliked, hated and despised by many on this thread and elsewhere. Yeah, the woman who has done it all but is still hated by liberals. Still hated by feminists. I have to think this has a whole lot more to do with the haterz than it does the subject of the hate. Correct me where I’m wrong, O Learned Ones.

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You are mistaken.

Liberals are known for and pride themselves on their tolerance.

And liberals love diversity. There’s room for every idea and belief.

There is no way that they could have the hate that you say, simply because a person has different political beliefs than they do and advocates different positions.

I am sure they are all actually very respectful of Sarah Palin having differing views from theirs and in no way feel personal hate.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:

…But really, you should at least wait a few days before you do a re-wright.

Does this have something to do with repeating the efforts of Wilbur and Orville?[/quote]

For all intensive purposes, you be alernin’!