The Way of Men

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Great post. This is exactly the point that I just finished making in the “pussywhipped” thread regarding Western males and Japanese females. The reason “Game” as a cultural meme even exists is as a remedy to an issue that didn’t even exist, would not have been conceivable, even a hundred years ago. It is necessarily misdirected, as so many of our energies are, and the void that once was filled by a clearly defined duties, responsibilities and expectations; honor, and a very real life and death struggle as leader (as head and protector of your household, if nothing else), has atrophied into, well, yeah, a bonobo is a pretty good metaphor for what masquerades as “respectable” these days.
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“Misdirected” is a strong word for something that adresses the most basic human drive.

It is bad for society as a whole, yes, but why should any man feel any responsibility for a society that expects him to be the workhorse without any of the benefits, mostly sex and respect.

“Misdirected” as in the belief that man’s most admirable achievement can be quantified using notches on a bedpost.

We pretty much agree on everything else. Indeed, based upon everything you wrote after the first sentence, we are pretty much saying the same thing.[/quote]

The issue I would take with this exchange is that you, Cortes, are an outlier to some considerable degree. Your body, your intelligence, your integrity, and your seemingly unwavering fidelity to family well-being are a potent and unusual combination, whether in Japan, America, socialist Holland, or wherever. If all men were like you, might all women be more like your wife?

At any rate, I think orion might find that if HE were more like you, he would find someone more like your wife. You devote your energies to building…yourself, your family, your business. That would appeal mightily to a woman who wants to nourish and nurture those kinds of good things.

What would your wife think of someone primarily focused on bitterness and victimhood? Would there be attraction, assuming she were available?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If all men were like you, might all women be more like your wife?
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Can’t they be good people independently of men though? Seems like a lot of women can just “go rogue” at the drop of a hat practically.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Great post. This is exactly the point that I just finished making in the “pussywhipped” thread regarding Western males and Japanese females. The reason “Game” as a cultural meme even exists is as a remedy to an issue that didn’t even exist, would not have been conceivable, even a hundred years ago. It is necessarily misdirected, as so many of our energies are, and the void that once was filled by a clearly defined duties, responsibilities and expectations; honor, and a very real life and death struggle as leader (as head and protector of your household, if nothing else), has atrophied into, well, yeah, a bonobo is a pretty good metaphor for what masquerades as “respectable” these days.
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“Misdirected” is a strong word for something that adresses the most basic human drive.

It is bad for society as a whole, yes, but why should any man feel any responsibility for a society that expects him to be the workhorse without any of the benefits, mostly sex and respect.

“Misdirected” as in the belief that man’s most admirable achievement can be quantified using notches on a bedpost.

We pretty much agree on everything else. Indeed, based upon everything you wrote after the first sentence, we are pretty much saying the same thing.[/quote]

The issue I would take with this exchange is that you, Cortes, are an outlier to some considerable degree. Your body, your intelligence, your integrity, and your seemingly unwavering fidelity to family well-being are a potent and unusual combination, whether in Japan, America, socialist Holland, or wherever. If all men were like you, might all women be more like your wife?

At any rate, I think orion might find that if HE were more like you, he would find someone more like your wife. You devote your energies to building…yourself, your family, your business. That would appeal mightily to a woman who wants to nourish and nurture those kinds of good things.

What would your wife think of someone primarily focused on bitterness and victimhood? Would there be attraction, assuming she were available?

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Enough with this nonsense.

That marriage has been chaged dramatically is a fact.

That it has not changed to the benefit of men is a fact.

That women have more sexual partners before marriage is a fact, that the likelyhood of success statistically depends on how many men she slept with is a fact, hypergamy is not a fact, but can be supported with facts, that women have changed in actual men they had to deal with in real life for the state as a provider is also a fact, that men can get laid applying the same principles to all the special little snowflakes is also a fact sooooooooooo…

drop that “bitterness and victimhood” crap already.

I have statistics, genetics, studies and whatnot and you have an opinion on why I might think what I think.

Thats nice, look a butterfly!

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
If all men were like you, might all women be more like your wife?
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Can’t they be good people independently of men though? Seems like a lot of women can just “go rogue” at the drop of a hat practically.[/quote]

Noooooo…

Men could, but men are responsible for their actions.

If a woman does something bad, we find the man we can blame, if all else fails, there is still patriarchy…

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Got skulls on the cover

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Lets not forget how Cortes found his mate. He had to travel to the other side of the fucking world to find someone worth commiting to.

He’s also been polite by saying Japanese women have great compatibility with western men as he didnt mention how western women have little compatibility with ANY men.

We live in North America. Finding someone in north america on par with the average Japanese woman is like finding a needle in a haystack. Modern feminism has corrupted them by teaching they don’t “need” men.

In other parts of the world men don’t put up with American type feminism. We sealed our fate when we gave into feminist demands.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lets not forget how Cortes found his mate. He had to travel to the other side of the fucking world to find someone worth commiting to.

He’s also been polite by saying Japanese women have great compatibility with western men as he didnt mention how western women have little compatibility with ANY men.

We live in North America. Finding someone in north america on par with the average Japanese woman is like finding a needle in a haystack. Modern feminism has corrupted them by teaching they don’t “need” men.

In other parts of the world men don’t put up with American type feminism. We sealed our fate when we gave into feminist demands.[/quote]

Great post.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lets not forget how Cortes found his mate. He had to travel to the other side of the fucking world to find someone worth commiting to.

He’s also been polite by saying Japanese women have great compatibility with western men as he didnt mention how western women have little compatibility with ANY men.

We live in North America. Finding someone in north america on par with the average Japanese woman is like finding a needle in a haystack. Modern feminism has corrupted them by teaching they don’t “need” men.

In other parts of the world men don’t put up with American type feminism. We sealed our fate when we gave into feminist demands.[/quote]

That’s the rub, isn’t it. North American women are taught that they don’t “need” men.

But then, always, hands down 100%, they end up NEEDING a man. They become confused and upset that their feminist education is being corrupted by their own biology. Many women are caught in the crosshairs in their late 20’s into their 30’s with a need and a want to find an appropriate mate but their relationship skills and overall treatment of men in their life as an “adversary” leaves them lonely with incredibly limited prospects of ever being successful in this pursuit.

I have buddies that are on Plenty of Fish and other websites purely for the comedy. The redundancy of women in their early 20’s wanting to be treated like a “princess” and the women in their 30’s and 40’s looking for “a real man” along with a laundry list of demands is astonishing.

Men are better served to understand this process of what a young girl vs an older girl goes through in order to achieve their goals. Knowing how to navigate a womens’ already programmed biology is important.

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Without necessarily aligning with one side or the other, I will offer a bit of clarification regarding my own marriage and a bit about my origins, and the readers of this thread are free to draw their own assumptions. I’ll attempt to be brief, but no promises, haha.

I started out as a textbook example of what I am now coming to understand is termed an AFC. I had no “game” pretty much until I was about 22 years old, when I underwent a transformation of sorts. After a long, tumultuous period of trying on different social costumes, running the gamut from long-haired hippie-type, to a shorn headed, bearded visage literally described as “hyper-masculine” by a rocker-girl who later went on to join the Marines (I like to think that I looked a bit like a young version of Ben Kingsley’s character in Sexy Beast), neither of which I ever felt really comfortable with, I finally sort of “snapped into form.” I don’t know what the trigger was, it was spontaneous, and I cannot think of any other way to put it. I finally felt comfortable with who I was and what I wanted.

Now, magically, where I had never in my life been able to get a girl to even pay attention to me, I could go to a bar and have my pick of whichever one I wanted in my entire college town that was filled with women who had already known me as the guy who nobody would even pay attention to before. I was as confused as you probably are by now.

To cut to the chase, I did my dating, I did my bad boy stuff and I did all sorts of things that I’m not at all proud of today. I had my long-term relationships and my very very short-term relationships and plenty in-between. I ran the gamut of male heterosexual experience in a few short years. In short, I have plenty of experience with the American social scene and with American women in general. Probably more experience than most men in this regard.

Definitely not bragging, as will become clear.

So what then is the point? The point is, that when I got to Japan, despite the vast spectrum of experience that I had traversed in America, suddenly I had entered a world that I had never even known existed outside of fantasy. What’s this, women who don’t fly off the handle at the slightest remark? Who don’t approach the relationship as a power struggle? Who don’t mind male assertiveness? Who actually appear to crave it? Women who don’t try to control every aspect of your life, right down to such intensely personal things as your very thoughts and feelings? Who don’t give guilt trips, ever?!?! That’s right, I said no guilt trips!!! Who do not so much as criticize, for the most part, and when they do, it means something? And who not only appreciate your small kindnesses, but fall all over themselves in awe at them? What is this heaven I have found?

I don’t know if I kept my Game, if my Game changed, if there was longer any Game, or if I had actually transcended the Game. Whatever it was, I felt like I’d finally come home. If I wanted to be a bachelor in this country, it would be so, so, so easy.

Trust me. Seriously. Omg.

But I don’t need to be anymore, nor do I desire that lifestyle. Because it’s the difference between a high lifestyle and a healthy lifestyle. People who get high feel great, probably better than anybody is capable of feeling, but the feeling is temporal, mutable, highly volatile, and ultimately can only mimic happiness. It requires an endless replenishment in order for the feeling to be sustained, and because of this, even while high, it is tinged with a form of anxiety.In contrast, people who live a healthy lifestyle don’t have the need to go out and look for a high because they already feel like they’re supposed to feel in the first place. I feel like that’s the difference between my lifestyle here now, and lifestyle I left in America.

Now, before we go too far with this, I will say that I do believe there are “good” women and men in America who can be happy if they find each other. I think that they almost necessarily must be religious in order to do so, because I can’t imagine any other source of fortitude strong enough to combat the social forces at work today. And I think that, yes it is becoming harder and harder for those people to find themselves in this ever more corrupted society.

Make of all of this what you will.

*edit: there just had to be one typo

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

Now, before we go too far with this, I will say that I do believe there are “good” women and men in America who can be happy if they find each other. I think that they almost necessarily must be religious in order to do so, because I can’t imagine any other source of fortitude strong enough to combat the social forces at work today. And I think that, yes it is becoming harder and harder for those people to find themselves in this ever more corrupted society.

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Or they are of second or third generation Latin American descent.

Many of them are losing their religion, but they’re not buying into the hype of feminist individualism. Probably becasue the baby rabies is strong within them, and it starts at an earlier age.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
I don’t know if I kept my Game, if my Game changed, if there was longer any Game, or if I had actually transcended the Game.[/quote]