[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:You were probably excommunicated a long time ago. Just because no one made a public excommunication doesn’t mean you’re not. Sorry, you’re not a public enough figure for a bishop to send out a statement about you.[/quote]I actually agree with Chris in this instance. My point is not about people like you who leave. That’s the natural response of a worldling when confronted with the word of God in a faithful church as well. We don’t have to kick most people out. They DO NOT want to hear the convicting sanctifying Word of the Lord preached to them in purity and power. My point is churches where the Word of the Lord IS NOT preached in purity OR power so that all manner of reprobate abominable unconverted pagans are perfectly comfortable sitting in their pews and calling themselves Christians.
The Catholic gospel itself has no power which explains the vast majority of them showing zero evidence of actual Christian conversion and tons of evidence of the very external religious busy-ness that Jesus condemned.[/quote]
Busy-ness? That is laughable. First, by referencing the Catholic Gospel? What are you referring to? Are you referring to what some refer to as the hermeneutical of discontinuity, where they claim there is two or split magisterium (basically someone believe there is the magisterium with the bishops/tradition and there is the magisterium of theologians)? Or, are you referring to the Gospel that flows from the traditions of the Church taught by Jesus and the Apostles?
If you referring to the former, I can understand your confusion. That’s what you get when you don’t teach theologians how to be, well…theologians. That is what we got when theologians fancied themselves bishops or more correctly-though not intentionally-protestants (their own pope). It came from an idea that after Vatican II, we found new parts of the Gospel we had forgot to teach, and that basically the Gospel was a difference before & during and after Vatican II. This is of course heresy, from both the liberal and traditionalist sides that they fall into possibly.
Now, if that is the “Catholic Gospel” you are referring to? Then sure, you have a point. That has as much power as a wet noodle, I’ve seen it come in a variety of forms…sock puppet sermons, magic show sermons, communist manifesto thumping liberal priests, and a dozen others. However, you have made a misnomer, because that is not the Catholic Gospel…that is an imposer of the Gospel, brought in by the Evil One, that is properly called the Devil’s Gospel. If you’re talking about the actual Catholic Gospel, you’re a sitting duck. Because this Gospel is the Gospel who has inspired and filled every martyr, virgin, saint, mother, father to be a self-gift to others in sanctifying love and die to oneself for the greater glory of God and the Kingdom. Including two dudes who died in Rome, St. Peter and Paul. This is not a Gospel of busy-ness. This is the Gospel of Be still and know that I Am the Lord. This is the Gospel that taught me Peter had nothing to say besides it is Good to be here, Lord. This is the Gospel that taught Catholics how the world can’t not fidget for five seconds while playing with their phones and sexting, but we can sit in a dark chapel for 30, 60, or 90 minutes (or, 270 minutes if your John Paul II) at a time and stare at the face of Jesus and just be present with the Lord.
Everyone has failed God, except the Church. The Church can’t fail God, individual members can of course sin we’re fallen men and we have, more than we can atone for. But to say the Church failed God is saying God failed, Jesus failed because he didn’t actually protect the Church by sending the Paraclete.
Crap like evolution, well I think crap like Total Depravity is more nonsense then Evolution. Ecumenical inclusivism you’ll have to explain to me. Because I don’t even think inclusivism is a word.
Of who’s founding?
[quote]Some so outrageous it is beyond belief. That is “THE CHURCH’S” fault. She is an unfaithful adulterous bride (the visible "church Chris), just like Israel. Praise be to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE IS FAITHFUL!! AND there is a remnant. Just like Israel. Who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Most of them ARE NOT in my church before anybody goes off thinking I’m making some schismatic claim of exclusivity.
There is no shortage of churches in this country. There IS a choking shortage of actual Christians living the life of Christ in the earth. I do pray for my beloved United States of America. The answers are not in DC. They’re in your house.
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Actually there is no shortage of Churches, well because there is and only needs to be one and really because there is one Church whom the Bridgeroom promised he’d be with til the end of the time, the Catholic Church. All I read on this last part is you basically denying Jesus’ promises. I’d really love to know when Jesus stopped being with his Bride the Catholic Church. Because I don’t really think Jesus meant Pastor Chris’ ecclesiastical community when he referred to the Church.