And he will be a flaming Catholic too, like reading the Mass in Latin and whatnot.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well what he does is more than just opposing is it not?
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Not in my eyes. Look, the guy has a thing for Rand’s philosophy and probably couldn’t make the two worlds, Rand’s and Religion’s, meet. Because, well, they don’t. Sorry, supposed Christian Randians, you’re lying to yourselves. Religion to him is supposed to be a cancer of the human mind, obstructing humankind’s mass move to an Objectivist existence. If he really is a Randian, and not just using it to stir people up, then his behavior actually does make sense. He has to save humanity from us. Then again, it could just be something he could really give two craps about, but knows this stuff will fire up the forum every…single…time. So he’s either a true blue Randian, or simply throwing out red meat for the laughs.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do people genuinely believe that a virgin…a woman who has never had sex…can give birth to a child?
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I absolutely believe it’s possible. Haven’t you ever heard of artificial insemination. Good Lord!
Me, I just think it’s funny when someone (even HH) [pretends to] takes issue with something as trivial as the virgin birth. Wouldn’t it make more sense to discuss God creating the universe out of nothing, if we wanna discuss mind-boggling stuff? If a supernatural being can through thought/word create a universe, what’s the big deal about making a puny human preggo? Srsly.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:Me, I just think it’s funny when someone (even HH) [pretends to] takes issue with something as trivial as the virgin birth. Wouldn’t it make more sense to discuss God creating the universe out of nothing, if we wanna discuss mind-boggling stuff? If a supernatural being can through thought/word create a universe, what’s the big deal about making a puny human preggo? Srsly. [/quote]Ya really beat me to this and that was the exact example I had in mind. And actually this IS a nutshell representation of the very epistemology I’m always harping on about. Once you have an utterly non contingent almighty and all powerful God? One whose signature is strobing from every particle of reality I might add. The rest takes care of itself.
From the commanding of light and matter to exist from nothing to 2+2 equaling 4 and anything and everything in between. Like a virgin birth. I do not merely believe in this God’s existence with more certainty than I believe in yours, but I know Him more intimately than I know myself. If He says "I have conceived my eternal Son in the womb of virgin woman so that He could be born a divine man for the purpose of reconciling you to myself? My response is, “THANK YOOOOO my blessed holy Father”. The question of how is arrogant unbelief. I don’t care how. I am just filled with grateful adoration that He did.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do people genuinely believe that a virgin…a woman who has never had sex…can give birth to a child?
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I absolutely believe it’s possible. Haven’t you ever heard of artificial insemination. Good Lord![/quote]
Zing!
None of this shit would have happened if Maury was around.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
HH, have you ever heard the theory that people who go out of their way to declare how disgusted that they are by gay people might only try to suppress their own desires?
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Wrong thread?
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Oh no, that is exactly the right one.
HH, if you want to go to a church and pray with wild abandon, get it out of your system.
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I’ve nothing to add concerning the OP, as I can’t see it, nor care to (though I can imagine from the title). But no, I’ll have to disagree. IF HH is truly an acolyte of Ayn Rand, then he must do battle with religion. A PROPER Randian must. This is the way it must be, if he’s truly her disciple.
Having said that, I could never figure out if he had made up his mind between true Randian atheism, or if he was sticking to his occasional lapses into personally revealed Deism. That might simply be a matter of his losing track of which forum handle has what as part of it’s forum personality, allowing for one persona to bleed into another occasionally.
And, since he seems to be hitting one note lately (again, I’m ‘graced’ with still seeing his thread titles listed with everything else), at least as HH, you’d think he be courteous enough to at least keep it in one thread.
Anyways, my point is that the world isn’t so cute and easy. You don’t necessarily desire to be what you oppose. I for one won’t be sneaking out to vote Obama, for example. And I can’t imagine you’re really chomping at the bit to join the US military in the War against Terror.[/quote]
Well what he does is more than just opposing is it not?
This unhealthy obsession with other peoples church, the constant circling the theme, the strong emotions displayed…
He wants to come out of the closet.
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Nah, I’m just finally seeing humanity, the broad mass, for the stupid cattle that they really are.
They believe in things that are physically impossible, like a virgin giving birth.
They believe that walking around a black stone in Mecca will give them admission to paradise.
They believe that big governments will make the world a better place.
They believe that it is perfectly fine to rob your neighbors as long as it is done for the weak and innocent.
In short…each human has eyes, ears, a reasonable amount of brain power; yet they refuse to think, to see, to act (except as mindless savages).
The Grand Inquisitor in Dostoevsky’s Karamazov was right – these cattle don’t deserve freedom or dignity, mostly because they don’t aspire to those. Well, they won’t get any.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do people genuinely believe that a virgin…a woman who has never had sex…can give birth to a child?
[/quote]
I absolutely believe it’s possible. Haven’t you ever heard of artificial insemination. Good Lord![/quote]
In 30 BC? Sure…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
HH, have you ever heard the theory that people who go out of their way to declare how disgusted that they are by gay people might only try to suppress their own desires?
[/quote]
Wrong thread?
[/quote]
Oh no, that is exactly the right one.
HH, if you want to go to a church and pray with wild abandon, get it out of your system.
[/quote]
I’ve nothing to add concerning the OP, as I can’t see it, nor care to (though I can imagine from the title). But no, I’ll have to disagree. IF HH is truly an acolyte of Ayn Rand, then he must do battle with religion. A PROPER Randian must. This is the way it must be, if he’s truly her disciple.
Having said that, I could never figure out if he had made up his mind between true Randian atheism, or if he was sticking to his occasional lapses into personally revealed Deism. That might simply be a matter of his losing track of which forum handle has what as part of it’s forum personality, allowing for one persona to bleed into another occasionally.
And, since he seems to be hitting one note lately (again, I’m ‘graced’ with still seeing his thread titles listed with everything else), at least as HH, you’d think he be courteous enough to at least keep it in one thread.
Anyways, my point is that the world isn’t so cute and easy. You don’t necessarily desire to be what you oppose. I for one won’t be sneaking out to vote Obama, for example. And I can’t imagine you’re really chomping at the bit to join the US military in the War against Terror.[/quote]
Well what he does is more than just opposing is it not?
This unhealthy obsession with other peoples church, the constant circling the theme, the strong emotions displayed…
He wants to come out of the closet.
[/quote]
Nah, I’m just finally seeing humanity, the broad mass, for the stupid cattle that they really are.
They believe in things that are physically impossible, like a virgin giving birth.
They believe that walking around a black stone in Mecca will give them admission to paradise.
They believe that big governments will make the world a better place.
They believe that it is perfectly fine to rob your neighbors as long as it is done for the weak and innocent.
In short…each human has eyes, ears, a reasonable amount of brain power; yet they refuse to think, to see, to act (except as mindless savages).
The Grand Inquisitor in Dostoevsky’s Karamazov was right – these cattle don’t deserve freedom or dignity, mostly because they don’t aspire to those. Well, they won’t get any.
[/quote]
Well, there seem to be people around that worship at the altar of a rather crude epistemology, with a good deal of hyper-rationalism and female rape fantasies thrown into the mix.
I wonder if some people have developed such a sophisticated system to bullshit themselves that they look down on other people.
I also wonder if someone who was sufficiently left brained is so blind to parts of the human experience that he might not get that logic consistency is not really the point of religion, though even that would largely disappear if one accepted the premises.
Finally I wonder whether someone like that would be right around here in the Myer Briggs modell:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die !
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
One can be grateful for centuries of religious wisdom–by this I mean certain moral teachings that have been indispensable to the development of sophisticated and neighborly human interaction–having bled into our collective consciousness without swallowing the miracles and the supernatural. There is no “wisdom” in the idea of a virgin having given birth, or of a snake speaking, or of a man living inside of gigantic fish.
I am so glad I was born (and born again) in the internet age. The apostles never had it so good. =]
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
Logic and rationality…how unique!! 
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
When the probability of this stuff equates to Russell’s teapot in orbit, time to dump the stuff.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
When the probability of this stuff equates to Russell’s teapot in orbit, time to dump the stuff.
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The fact that epic stupidity like yours exists, and you are managing enough brain power to breath, indicates that absolutely anything is possible.
EDIT: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
One can be grateful for centuries of religious wisdom–by this I mean certain moral teachings that have been indispensable to the development of sophisticated and neighborly human interaction–having bled into our collective consciousness without swallowing the miracles and the supernatural. There is no “wisdom” in the idea of a virgin having given birth, or of a snake speaking, or of a man living inside of gigantic fish.[/quote]
Good post, but seems to me there is no wisdom in, nor is it a productive use of time, to go out of your way to try and “destroy” the beliefs of others. Particularly if those beliefs don’t harm you or your family.
And for the record, and grandchildren I get from my daughter will be from Virgin Birth. Of this fact I believe.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
One can be grateful for centuries of religious wisdom–by this I mean certain moral teachings that have been indispensable to the development of sophisticated and neighborly human interaction–having bled into our collective consciousness without swallowing the miracles and the supernatural. There is no “wisdom” in the idea of a virgin having given birth, or of a snake speaking, or of a man living inside of gigantic fish.[/quote]
Good post, but seems to me there is no wisdom in, nor is it a productive use of time, to go out of your way to try and “destroy” the beliefs of others. Particularly if those beliefs don’t harm you or your family.
And for the record, and grandchildren I get from my daughter will be from Virgin Birth. Of this fact I believe.[/quote]
hahaha, keep tellin yourself that my friend/
And I do agree re: those atheist crusaders who go to great lengths to belittle people’s beliefs. I’ve been guilty of it before (even though I’m not an atheist) and its a pretty ridiculous thing to do.
When the topic comes up, I enjoy the arguments. But I long ago realized what an asshole you look like when you mock people’s personal beliefs.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
People continuing to believe in Fairy Tales…blows me away.
Even IF the virgin birth is real it still means that Mary was RAPED and by definition Jesus is a
BASTARD child since Mary and “god” (who gave birth to “himself”) where not married…religion needs
to die ![/quote]
You believe in fairy tales too.
Yours are just new and exciting fairy tales and are not recognized as such by you or others.
Since you are a child of the French Revolution I could even tell you what they are.
Anyhow, what is demonstrated here is the tendency of the post Enlightenment era to dismiss centuries of accumulated wisdom because some aspects of it are rather implausible. [/quote]
One can be grateful for centuries of religious wisdom–by this I mean certain moral teachings that have been indispensable to the development of sophisticated and neighborly human interaction–having bled into our collective consciousness without swallowing the miracles and the supernatural. There is no “wisdom” in the idea of a virgin having given birth, or of a snake speaking, or of a man living inside of gigantic fish.[/quote]
Good post, but seems to me there is no wisdom in, nor is it a productive use of time, to go out of your way to try and “destroy” the beliefs of others. Particularly if those beliefs don’t harm you or your family.
And for the record, and grandchildren I get from my daughter will be from Virgin Birth. Of this fact I believe.[/quote]
hahaha, keep tellin yourself that my friend/
And I do agree re: those atheist crusaders who go to great lengths to belittle people’s beliefs. I’ve been guilty of it before (even though I’m not an atheist) and its a pretty ridiculous thing to do.
When the topic comes up, I enjoy the arguments. But I long ago realized what an asshole you look like when you mock people’s personal beliefs.[/quote]
And that’s why I like you two… It’s possible to have reasoned discussions. Pettiness does nothing for a cause.