The USA Should be Charged with Treason

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:

Yes you cannot argue with facts and the fact is that the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt. That that is a fact you can verify repeatedly.

How?

We can count the ones killed and maimed, but how do we count those that have been helped?

Do we count those you think you have helped or those that actually agree that you have helped them? I do not expect those numbers do be the same.

How many people must have been “helped” and to what degree in order to justify one person killed by the US military or an embargo and does it matter how that person died, i.e. quick and painless or burning alive?

And, once you have come up with a system, would you be willing to apply it to American citizens or would you tar and feather any senator who would come up with such an idea?

"Well Ladies and Gentleman, using our formula we have found out that by killing 53378 Texans, bombing half of Minnesota and burning 2876,5 New Yorkers alive, life will be better for the rest of us.

Let´s get to it and God bless America!"

How? We stopped your country from its horrible deeds.[/quote]

Yeah! Cooking Jews in ovens was all noble and all, but you know we had to move on when was dicovered that Judaism is not the root of all evil.

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[quote]Mr.Irish wrote:
Americ’a hat…that made me laugh, that was very good. But to the others your geeky picard & Worf things are a little strange. And as for paranoia, your nuts its just a sense of humour man.

Your founding fathers came from one country when they got here they got greedy & figured England was all the way over there what can they do if we take it ourselves.Thats betrayal, is’nt it?

.[/quote]

Um…ok…let’s charge the founding fathers with treason. What does that accomplish?

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[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
I think reading this is actually making me dumber.[/quote]

your going to keep reading though, aren’t you?

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[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
In response the “I never heard aboot”:

its cause you live there. Southerners don’t hear there Southern accent, cause that how they talk. New YUrkers don’t hear there, cause thats how everyone talks. Same thing with Canadians, you just don’t notice it…but we def notice it

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I notice it. Only eastern Canadians talk like that.

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[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
In response the “I never heard aboot”:

its cause you live there. Southerners don’t hear there Southern accent, cause that how they talk. New YUrkers don’t hear there, cause thats how everyone talks. Same thing with Canadians, you just don’t notice it…but we def notice it

[/quote]

Um…no.

Ive been living here for the past 2 years and i was born here (montreal).
However i lived in the states, france, italy and germany.

The longest being in germany, which was about 6 years.
Even then, you still notice if people say aboot or about.

Sorry, but just no.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
tg2hbk4488 wrote:
In response the “I never heard aboot”:

its cause you live there. Southerners don’t hear there Southern accent, cause that how they talk. New YUrkers don’t hear there, cause thats how everyone talks. Same thing with Canadians, you just don’t notice it…but we def notice it

Um…no.
Ive been living here for the past 2 years and i was born here (montreal).
However i lived in the states, france, italy and germany.
The longest being in germany, which was about 6 years.
Even then, you still notice if people say aboot or about.

Sorry, but just no.[/quote]

I live right across the border from Toronto. You guys say aboot. The accent is very much a reality.

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Great Solution:

Canada has a lot of oil and natural gas, they’re right next door, and there’s only like 22 million of them. It should be easy just to conquer the whole country! Keep the good parts for ourselves and any Canadians can be moved to Labrador or Nunavut, where they can be happy farmers.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:

Yes you cannot argue with facts and the fact is that the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt. That that is a fact you can verify repeatedly.

How?

We can count the ones killed and maimed, but how do we count those that have been helped?

Do we count those you think you have helped or those that actually agree that you have helped them? I do not expect those numbers do be the same.

How many people must have been “helped” and to what degree in order to justify one person killed by the US military or an embargo and does it matter how that person died, i.e. quick and painless or burning alive?

And, once you have come up with a system, would you be willing to apply it to American citizens or would you tar and feather any senator who would come up with such an idea?

"Well Ladies and Gentleman, using our formula we have found out that by killing 53378 Texans, bombing half of Minnesota and burning 2876,5 New Yorkers alive, life will be better for the rest of us.

Let´s get to it and God bless America!"

How? We stopped your country from its horrible deeds.

So?

You helped create a situation that lead to WWII.

His claim is that I could “verify repeatedly” that your country has “helped far more people than it has hurt.”

May question still stands:

How?

Your country was instrumental in starting both those wars. To accuse our country of “helping create the situation” is complete and utter bullshit.

So you are saying that the situation after WWI would have been the exact same had the US not intervened?

Why did the US intervene then?

And if the US had some influence in the outcome of WWI which did undoubtedly lead to WWII, well, because it undeniably actually happened, how much are you to blame for the victims of WWII, using your magic formula that leads you to believe the US has verifiably done more good than bad ?

Please note that I never made any similar claim for my country so even if Austria was sith lord evil it would not help your case.

Feeble straw man argument.

Well, you never bothered to make one and I notice you do not bother to point out where I go wrong now either.

Anyway, the claim was that I could verify, “repeatedly” no less, that " the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt".

So far you were not able to do that.

And I would so like to verify that!

Repeatedly!

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The fact of the matter is that you can not add up totals of good done. This is uncountable. It is the same with in any society. One can put a statistic to all the rapes, murders, and thefts in any society, but one can not count the number of times people have done good to help a neighbor. Just because you can not put a figure to this, you think society is still overall evil. The reason we can count such things, is because it is relatively small. Murder, rape, and theft make up a small percent of what happens daily. Good deeds and normal life make up the rest. It is ignorant to say that because you cant put a number to something to say it doesnt exist is or is not true

Yes, the U.S. has caused the death of many people. You can put a figure to this. But you can not put a figure to how many lives have been saved, people have been spared from violent rule, houses rebuilt after floods, jobs created from US corp, medicine developed to save lives, and money given away to help solve world problems. Just because you can’t put a number to this, does this mean it is not true?

Many nations help in ways similar to the U.S. No one is denying that. The U.S. cant do it on its own. But one must admitt without the U.S. it would be extremly difficult for all this to happen to the degree of success that has occured.

So overall the U.S. does much more good than evil

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I think I’m going to declare Mr.Irish the winner of this round of douche-off. The guy got 4 pages of replies in a thread that didn’t even deserve a facepalm.

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[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:

Yes you cannot argue with facts and the fact is that the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt. That that is a fact you can verify repeatedly.

How?

We can count the ones killed and maimed, but how do we count those that have been helped?

Do we count those you think you have helped or those that actually agree that you have helped them? I do not expect those numbers do be the same.

How many people must have been “helped” and to what degree in order to justify one person killed by the US military or an embargo and does it matter how that person died, i.e. quick and painless or burning alive?

And, once you have come up with a system, would you be willing to apply it to American citizens or would you tar and feather any senator who would come up with such an idea?

"Well Ladies and Gentleman, using our formula we have found out that by killing 53378 Texans, bombing half of Minnesota and burning 2876,5 New Yorkers alive, life will be better for the rest of us.

Let´s get to it and God bless America!"

How? We stopped your country from its horrible deeds.

So?

You helped create a situation that lead to WWII.

His claim is that I could “verify repeatedly” that your country has “helped far more people than it has hurt.”

May question still stands:

How?

Your country was instrumental in starting both those wars. To accuse our country of “helping create the situation” is complete and utter bullshit.

So you are saying that the situation after WWI would have been the exact same had the US not intervened?

Why did the US intervene then?

And if the US had some influence in the outcome of WWI which did undoubtedly lead to WWII, well, because it undeniably actually happened, how much are you to blame for the victims of WWII, using your magic formula that leads you to believe the US has verifiably done more good than bad ?

Please note that I never made any similar claim for my country so even if Austria was sith lord evil it would not help your case.

Feeble straw man argument.

Well, you never bothered to make one and I notice you do not bother to point out where I go wrong now either.

Anyway, the claim was that I could verify, “repeatedly” no less, that " the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt".

So far you were not able to do that.

And I would so like to verify that!

Repeatedly!

The fact of the matter is that you can not add up totals of good done. This is uncountable. It is the same with in any society. One can put a statistic to all the rapes, murders, and thefts in any society, but one can not count the number of times people have done good to help a neighbor. Just because you can not put a figure to this, you think society is still overall evil. The reason we can count such things, is because it is relatively small. Murder, rape, and theft make up a small percent of what happens daily. Good deeds and normal life make up the rest. It is ignorant to say that because you cant put a number to something to say it doesnt exist is or is not true

Yes, the U.S. has caused the death of many people. You can put a figure to this. But you can not put a figure to how many lives have been saved, people have been spared from violent rule, houses rebuilt after floods, jobs created from US corp, medicine developed to save lives, and money given away to help solve world problems. Just because you can’t put a number to this, does this mean it is not true?

Many nations help in ways similar to the U.S. No one is denying that. The U.S. cant do it on its own. But one must admitt without the U.S. it would be extremly difficult for all this to happen to the degree of success that has occured.

So overall the U.S. does much more good than evil[/quote]

So you say there is no way to measure it and yet undoubtedly the US did more good than evil.

Do you see any problems there?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
pat wrote:

Yes you cannot argue with facts and the fact is that the U.S. has helped far more people than it has hurt. That that is a fact you can verify repeatedly.

How?

We can count the ones killed and maimed, but how do we count those that have been helped?

Do we count those you think you have helped or those that actually agree that you have helped them? I do not expect those numbers do be the same.

How many people must have been “helped” and to what degree in order to justify one person killed by the US military or an embargo and does it matter how that person died, i.e. quick and painless or burning alive?

And, once you have come up with a system, would you be willing to apply it to American citizens or would you tar and feather any senator who would come up with such an idea?

"Well Ladies and Gentleman, using our formula we have found out that by killing 53378 Texans, bombing half of Minnesota and burning 2876,5 New Yorkers alive, life will be better for the rest of us.

Let´s get to it and God bless America!"

How? We stopped your country from its horrible deeds.

Yeah! Cooking Jews in ovens was all noble and all, but you know we had to move on when was dicovered that Judaism is not the root of all evil.
[/quote]

I am waiting for your formula, for you said one could verify that.

Please tell me how to go about something like that and awe me by reinterpreting the problem that value is subjective in a way that allows for that.

And yes, Austria is ebil, but how ebil are we, in numbers, according to your formula?

We could have an ebil index, where the US is 1 and everyone else is measured as a percentage of that.

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[quote]orion wrote:
…

Please tell me how to go about something like that and awe me by reinterpreting the problem that value is subjective in a way that allows for that.

And yes, Austria is ebil, but how ebil are we, in numbers, according to your formula?
…

[/quote]

More than 10 million.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…

Please tell me how to go about something like that and awe me by reinterpreting the problem that value is subjective in a way that allows for that.

And yes, Austria is ebil, but how ebil are we, in numbers, according to your formula?
…

More than 10 million.[/quote]

Don’t forget Fritzl.

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[quote]Mr.Irish wrote:
Look, using independence as a cloak for betrayle won’t fly with me. It is what it is. If some States wanted their “indepedence” ten to one says most Americans would call that treason. And as far as how?, our spy agency is slowly and methodically working on it.

I’m sure you have’nt heard of them, the’re called CSIS and to be an effective agency you should remain below the radar, unlike the FBI. But in my opinion it should start and already has by making your economy weaker.

Your dollar is almost on par with ours the next step is to tap the oil in Alberta and our Artic (I think we’re supposed to have the second largest deposit of untapped oil) and with it get you hooked on our stuff and take you for even more.

Then because we have one of the largest supplies of fresh water in the world jack that up on you as well. Thats when “OPERATION INDEPENDECE” takes place.

With the huge population of Canadians in Florida declaring independence and taking it and the rest of your country angry atnd at odds with its own government about the economy, our new found MILITARY MIGHT in florida gets you from the south & we got you from the north. I…ah…think its only a matter of time after that.[/quote]

Canadians.

If we’re so fucking worthless - why do you want our country?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Canadians.

[/quote]

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mr.Irish wrote:
Look, using independence as a cloak for betrayle won’t fly with me. It is what it is. If some States wanted their “indepedence” ten to one says most Americans would call that treason. And as far as how?, our spy agency is slowly and methodically working on it.

I’m sure you have’nt heard of them, the’re called CSIS and to be an effective agency you should remain below the radar, unlike the FBI. But in my opinion it should start and already has by making your economy weaker.

Your dollar is almost on par with ours the next step is to tap the oil in Alberta and our Artic (I think we’re supposed to have the second largest deposit of untapped oil) and with it get you hooked on our stuff and take you for even more.

Then because we have one of the largest supplies of fresh water in the world jack that up on you as well. Thats when “OPERATION INDEPENDECE” takes place.

With the huge population of Canadians in Florida declaring independence and taking it and the rest of your country angry atnd at odds with its own government about the economy, our new found MILITARY MIGHT in florida gets you from the south & we got you from the north. I…ah…think its only a matter of time after that.

Canadians.

If we’re so fucking worthless - why do you want our country?

[/quote]

Alot of americans want to live in canada and want to be canadian just like alot of canadians want to be americans and live in the states.

Just shut the fuck up already. You’re all idiots.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Mr.Irish wrote:
Look, using independence as a cloak for betrayle won’t fly with me. It is what it is. If some States wanted their “indepedence” ten to one says most Americans would call that treason. And as far as how?, our spy agency is slowly and methodically working on it.

I’m sure you have’nt heard of them, the’re called CSIS and to be an effective agency you should remain below the radar, unlike the FBI. But in my opinion it should start and already has by making your economy weaker.

Your dollar is almost on par with ours the next step is to tap the oil in Alberta and our Artic (I think we’re supposed to have the second largest deposit of untapped oil) and with it get you hooked on our stuff and take you for even more.

Then because we have one of the largest supplies of fresh water in the world jack that up on you as well. Thats when “OPERATION INDEPENDECE” takes place.

With the huge population of Canadians in Florida declaring independence and taking it and the rest of your country angry atnd at odds with its own government about the economy, our new found MILITARY MIGHT in florida gets you from the south & we got you from the north. I…ah…think its only a matter of time after that.

Canadians.

If we’re so fucking worthless - why do you want our country?

Alot of americans want to live in canada and want to be canadian just like alot of canadians want to be americans and live in the states.

Just shut the fuck up already. You’re all idiots.

[/quote]

And I want to live in Ireland at some point in my life.

From what I’ve seen a lot of UNDERAGE Americans want to GO TO Canada on a Friday Night, very few people that I know (2 to be exact) want to LIVE there, but the 2 that do were originally born in Canada. At times I would rather live in Canada, usually when my town goes batshit insane and decides to tear up all the roads and replace them with brick (3 mile drive takes 20minutes now) or closes down all the main roads for a festival of Fisher Price toys. But those are temporary situations.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Alot of americans want to live in canada and want to be canadian just like alot of canadians want to be americans and live in the states.

Just shut the fuck up already. You’re all idiots.

[/quote]

What the hell does that have to do with taking over our country? I want to live in mexico - but you don’t see me planning a fucking coup to get ther.

Who is the idiot again? I don’t think the americans are the one wanting to put the US on trial for treason.

Change your bong water, dumbass.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:

Just shut the fuck up already. You’re all idiots.

[/quote]

Is that you fleeing Canada to come to the United States? Was it a hard swim?

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[quote]Standndeliver wrote:

Is that you fleeing Canada to come to the United States? Was it a hard swim?[/quote]

No - it was subsidized.