Add “against her will” to those questions.
65 women have vouched for his character. This is not a debunk of these allegations, but if he was of a type, surely we wouldn’t have such a robust defence.
I also don’t see what a suspension of the hearing will achieve. How will hearing the accuser answer a Y/N case from 30 years ago?
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Maybe they decided raping her was not a good idea. Again, if it even happened.
I suspect Brett Kavanaugh would say the same thing.
I think you misunderstand the concept of misunderstanding.
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If things happened as she claimed, what is there to misunderstand? “I thought she wanted me to undress her which is why I had to hold her down to do it.”
“We were kissing and I got on top of her and started to undress her as I thought she was really into it. Then she wanted to leave so I let her.”
I’d also add that the difference between “didn’t decide to rape her,” and “decided not to rape her,” is simultaneously important and meaningless.
The fact that you assume everyone always saw everything the way you do is not proof that you have avoided misunderstandings, but rather it is only proof that you are still oblivious to any that exist.
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At least this diverts our mid term elections’ attention from the booming economy, really low unemployment, reduced terrorism, a pretty girl jogging in rural Iowa killed by an illegal, and a New York governor candidate blaming their loss on high voter turnout.
That last one really, really scares me.
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From a WSJ Op Ed this morning. I think this sums it up pretty well.
"…Mr. Kavanaugh denies all this “categorically and unequivocally,” and there is simply no way to prove it. The only witness to the event is Mr. Kavanaugh’s high school male friend, Mark Judge, who also says he recalls no such event. Ms. Ford concedes she told no one about it—not even a high school girl friend or family member—until 2012 when she told the story as part of couples therapy with her husband.
The vagaries of memory are well known, all the more so when they emerge in the cauldron of a therapy session to rescue a marriage. Experts know that human beings can come to believe firmly over the years that something happened when it never did or is based on partial truth. The Post reports that the therapist’s notes from 2012 say there were four male assailants, but Ms. Ford says that was a mistake. Ms. Ford also can’t recall in whose home the alleged assault took place, how she got there, or how she got home that evening…"
"…It would also be a serious injustice to a man who has by all accounts other than Ms. Ford’s led a life of respect for women and the law. Every #MeToo miscreant is a repeat offender. The accusation against Mr. Kavanaugh is behavior manifested nowhere else in his life.
No one, including Donald Trump, needs to attack Ms. Ford. She believes what she believes. This is not he said-she said. This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter, partially recalled 30 years later without corroboration, and brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation for partisan purposes.
Letting an accusation that is this old, this unsubstantiated and this procedurally irregular defeat Mr. Kavanaugh would also mean weaponizing every sexual assault allegation no matter the evidence. It will tarnish the #MeToo cause with the smear of partisanship, and it will unleash even greater polarizing furies."
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I was wondering if anyone else would come forward to say they at least recall all the relevant individuals being at a party together. At least one witness seeing all of them at the same party, at least once. However, Ford herself can’t say what party, how she got there, and how she left?
My understanding is that even in the therapist’s notes, there aren’t any names. Right?
Unless somebody comes forward between now and Thursday, then that’s it.
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You left out the part where she claims he put his hand over her mouth. The part where she claims he and his friend were laughing.
I never made such an assumption. Why would YOU assume that I did?
I don’t know how you were raised and by whom you were raised, but I was never told that forcing yourself on top of someone, putting your hand over her mouth and trying to take off her clothes was something that was not black and white, but grey.
Does the Op Ed address the question of her first telling someone about this in 2012? I mean, did she plan (along with the deep state operatives) to derail Kavanaugh’s nomination 6 years ago? This is while Obama was still president.
And how do they know this?
And couldn’t the same be said about Kavanaugh? Isn’t his memory of things also subject to the same errors over time?
Yeah, they didn’t succeed and nothing actually happened.
This has nothing to do with my opinion on his politics, but if this is the worse dirt you can dig up on the guy, he’s clean. I’d be willing to bet half here the people have done as bad or worse, been remorseful and never did such a thing again. I am not for such behavior but come on, high school? And it’s just coming out now?
Even if everything she said is 100% correct he was a dumb kid who did a bad thing, once, a long, long, long time ago.
How would yall like to have everything you have ever done brought up in public since high school.
Hell, somebody could accuse me of something in high school and I can honestly say, I don’t friggin’ remember.
I am just guffawed at how petty we have become…
Actually, something did happen.
Speak for yourself and stop projecting.
I thought you said nothing actually happened.
In this case it is not everything.
If this is all you got, it’s pretty close to everything. We’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
The first two paragraphs that she quoted.
They are the first one and second one just in case you missed it.
If something like what she claimed happened today, to your daughter, would you say it was nothing? If you read about a father who beat the hell out of a boy who did this to his daughter, would you say the boy got what he deserved? If the boy was arrested, would you say it was the right thing to happen?
Just because it happened 30 years ago does not diminish what happened.
If you read the rest of my post you would have noted the context of my question.
It doesn’t matter if he was “just a kid.” In that case, apologize. If you deny it, as if she is lying, then you’re not morally fit. In a time where you should perhaps reconcile and apologize, don’t instead make her out to be a liar (or something).
The issue is though, we don’t know. And it seems impossible, without someone else stepping up, to follow up. And, I sure as heck am not comfortable seeing a person sunk with an accusation of that nature.
How do you know? Where you there?
I am speaking for myself, I am not asking for a head count.
Well, if we are going mince words, nothing can’t happen because nothing doesn’t exist.
No, and neither were you. We were talking about IF her claims were true.
You did as bad or worse?
It’s not that simple. Attempting something is something. It might not be as bad as if it were successful, but it is bad.