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NICE calves, woman!
(Make me realize how pathetic mine are…! 
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@ Waters. We agree. She’s an easy target as a caricature. Trump is the president. His words and actions hold more weight.
@ calves, thank you! It’s an old avatar, but I’m revisiting it to try to make myself stay the course with nutrition. I’ve been within 4 pounds of my weight there in the past two weeks, and I’m trying to NOT put cheeseburgers in my mouth. It would be fun to have some nice pictures taken before my next birthday, which is a BIG one.
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I didn’t mean they don’t matter in daily life for numerous sects depending on the issue, but in the long run or big picture they are pretty moot.
Money has always been the true power since like forever… =D
Exactly why I do not and never will subscribe to one party or the other. Both have things I like and dislike. I err to the extreme of pure libertarianism though. If it isn’t hurting anyone else and you are an adult, have at it.
The majority of the population is more centered than both parties would have them believe or want them to believe.
When people actually know what you stand for and your position, it allows them to ask the hard questions and actually nail down a legitimate logical decision. Nobody running for office actually wants that.
I tossed away politics long ago as all are both sides of the same coin. 99% of it affects my daily life in no way whatsoever. The rat race and idiocy has completely disgusted me with the entire system and now I am utterly apathetic to the entire process. I even stopped voting. It really doesn’t matter. I know people will disagree here, but my life is sailing just fine leaving all that bullshit to the side.
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And a large number of those my age feel the exact same way. And we are talking mostly very educated people in my circle.
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This could be true but, it is not an overwhelming majority. I would even argue that the majority leans left (maybe not on social issues like bathroom diversity but on economic and foreign policy issues). Still, all you need to win is a committed minority while the rest remain divided over abortion, guns, sexual identity and race.
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‘People Will Die if He Is Confirmed.’ lol…
I am taking this as a threat. These people are going to kill people if Kavanaugh gets nominated…
I’ll give you 100:1 odds on that if you want 
Any USD denomination you want
Edit: spelling…
I have seen dumber things happen, but no bet as I was kidding.
Berekeley had some lovely events this weekend. Good ol’ fashion violence and mayhem.
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Not to threadjack this into an abortion thread BUT…
I believe they’re talking about rolling back policy so we have back alley abortions.
@pat, I know we disagree on that issue, since I’m pro-choice, but I think most Americans view issues like civil rights, abortion, same sex marriage as here to stay not as issues that are hanging by a very thin political thread. That rhetoric, “people are going to die!!!” sounds alarmist, extreme to my ears.
Agree. That’s my experience.
I’m more optimistic about it, Bauber. Reasonable and moderate people need to stay involved.
Same. If you look at big issues, I’m going to zig zag back and forth across parties. I could not support someone like Cruz or Sanders, both extreme positions that didn’t resonate with me. Not “pure libertarinanism” but certainly live and let live, a high value on letting other people make their own choices whenever possible, and concern with unintended consequences, inefficiency and waste, pork, excess of the bureaucracy.
@ apathy and cynicism. You’re too young, but it could be that you find a local cause where you can volunteer time and money, outside of anything partisan. My dad served eight years as a country commissioner when he retired and I was so proud of him for giving his time. I think more people should take that route, where they can do something real instead of thinking that writing a “strongly worded tweet” or voting means they’re doing something.
I am curious. I know you say you’re ‘pro-choice’, but like most people, I don’t believe your 100% pro-choice, correct?
In other words, you don’t support aborting your baby from conception to partial -birth. So where is the line and why do you choose to draw it there?
I’m thinking about how to answer you without starting us on a huge tangent.
What I might do personally may be different from where I stand on it in terms of public policy.
I would not remove the ability for couples to make these decisions with their doctor in terms of serious health issues for fetus or mother, incest or sexual crimes, or pregnancies in very young teenagers.
That said, as a society, we have such division in opinion about abortion prior to 20 weeks, I don’t see it as something I want to decide or impose on other people, even though I’d like to see less elective abortion as a form of birth control. I don’t think we’re going to ever roll back the ability for women to choose to have early term abortions, for whatever reason.
Maybe this helps you to see why I see it as an individual liberty issue. I do not see early term abortions as equal to murder, and I think of morning after pills as more similar to birth control than abortion, and I have no issue with their use.
When you look at the numbers of people who can think of exceptional circumstances where they could see themselves choosing to terminate a pregnancy for some health-related reason, I think this nuanced position is a common view among people who describe themselves as pro-life.
Late term abortion, past the point where a fetus can survive outside of the womb, would be reserved for serious medical emergency/ peril, IMO. Some European countries have set their time frame lower than ours, more like 15 or 17 weeks I believe.
Without getting into deep religious philosophy, does that answer your question, pat?
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Yes, it does more or less. I get the picture, so to speak.
Can you describe the difference between your personal view and your policy view?
I promise I am just asking, I am not ‘loading the gun’ so to speak…
As a pro-lifer I’d take that deal any day. The vast majority of abortions would be illegal.
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Between this deal and @pat agreeing to tax churches and Catholic schools in exchange for defunding PP we might have just eliminated partisanship
Can we just sign this shit and collect our Nobel prize?
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And strengthening the RFRA? I’d have to consider it.
I always have wanted one of those Nobel deals.
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Word. The men who ended partisanship.
How do we bottle it?
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Oh, no. See, with the deal in place it would be time to get back to the business of trying to move the goal posts from there towards one direction or the other. A deal would only be a new starting point! /wrings hands
Ye of little faith. If you can get the GoP to agree with taxing churches and Catholic schools in exchange for defunding PP, the Dems will swallow that hook line and sinker.
As for the abortion deal, might have to find a way to make that work
Given my personal and religious views on the family, and the infinite value of my children, I cannot imagine ever considering elective abortion.
Edited: I debated how to answer that, pat. And I wrote about three paragraphs, but decided to be less personal here.
I do a lot of work with veterans, animals, and children.
And I am not that young anymore lmao, sadly.
I am not optimistic about it at all. People in general don’t give many reasons for optimism these days. Politics is one sect I wish would fall off the face of the earth. I wouldn’t miss it.
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