The Supreme Court Fight is On. The Divide Worsens

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@pfury

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My mandatory freshman colloquium course was an outright left wing course full of redistributionism and other indisputably left wing causes.

Were they also topics that are explicitly prohibited from intermingling with the govt the way religion is?

@Sloth

So, how about this, no funding anything someone might strongly oppose.

If you can get enough of the population on your side, absolutely.

@Sloth

Maybe we shouldn’t be taxing people whose voluntary associations aren’t allowed to be represented among those receiving federal dollars. Dollars that they’ve contributed to.

You mean under a govt where separation of church and state (lol) are explicitly set forth in the Constitution?

Where is the establishment of the Catholic Church? There isn’t. Other religious and non-religious groups get the same money. If anything the government is crossing the line by with-holding monies available to other belief and non-belief systems.

Edit: And to be a stickler it actually isn’t explicitly stated in the constitution. You won’t see that phrase.What is left is that there can be no establishment of religion. There absolutely isn’t, or only that religion being established would be receiving the funds. So, we’re left with the free exercise of…Which government redistribution is attempting to influence.

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http://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/376984-catholic-adoption-agencies-a-private-public-adoption-system-that-works

No room at all? Really? None? We wlll survive without it, ultimately. If I were a wagering man I’d put money on our institutions outlasting the US when all is said and done, federal money or not. But, my gosh.

Sound familiar, anyone?

"The ACLU argues that St. Vincent prevented its clients from adopting. This makes no sense. The ACLU’s clients actually lived closer to four other foster or adoption agencies without these religious standards. "

Anyone?

[Sloth]

To be clear, you are all ready to turn down the assistance of St. Vincent? Baby/bathwater? Nose/face? No?

[EyeDentist]

@Sloth

Maybe we shouldn’t be taxing people whose voluntary associations aren’t allowed to be represented among those receiving federal dollars. Dollars that they’ve contributed to.

As the associations themselves enjoy tax-exempt status, I’d say it’s a wash.

@Sloth

Where is the establishment of the Catholic Church? There isn’t. Other religious and non-religious groups get the same money.

Are you suggesting here the existence within the govt of anti-Catholic bias?

[pfury]

@Sloth

If anything the government is crossing the line by with-holding monies available to other belief and non-belief systems.

I don’t think any belief system that should be able to discriminate against the law of the nation AND get me to pay for it.

I’m happy to do either or, just not both.

[Sloth]

@EyeDentist

@Sloth

Maybe we shouldn’t be taxing people whose voluntary associations aren’t allowed to be represented among those receiving federal dollars. Dollars that they’ve contributed to.

As the associations themselves enjoy tax-exempt status, I’d say it’s a wash.

@Sloth

Where is the establishment of the Catholic Church? There isn’t. Other religious and non-religious groups get the same money.

Are you suggesting here the existence within the govt of anti-Catholic bias?

Of course they are, they qualify for it.

What? No. I’m saying a Catholic school receiving funds is not the establishment of the Catholic religion when it is simply receiving the same funds as other religious and secular institutions, providing the same services the government is looking for help with, are

[Sloth]

@pfury

@Sloth

If anything the government is crossing the line by with-holding monies available to other belief and non-belief systems.

I don’t think any belief system that should be able to discriminate against the law of the nation AND get me to pay for it.

I’m happy to do either or, just not both.

But it isn’t the law of the nation. Hence, they get the monies.

[pfury]

@Sloth

But it isn’t the law of the nation. Hence, they get the monies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/40456937/heres-everywhere-in-the-u-s-you-can-still-get-fired-for-being-gay-or-trans

There are a slew of areas where it is illegal to fire someone purely for being gay. I work in the staffing industry

[Sloth]

So, defund St. Vincent?

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Doesn’t look like the nation, my man. And I’d remind you of the 1st amendment.

[pfury]

@Sloth

Doesn’t look like the nation, my man. And I’d remind you of the 1st amendment.

Like I said, we weren’t going to see eye to eye.

Luckily, the bigot level drops every year, so your people will be pushed into their moms basements LONG before mine will

[Sloth]

It’s almost as if instead of protecting the free expression of, or the freedom to assemble as the people please…It’s actually meant to ostracise the religious from public/redistribution for choosing not associate with people under certain circumstances.

[pfury]

@Sloth

It’s almost as if instead of protecting the free expression of, or the freedom to assemble as the people please

In what way are you being limited? Is it really that insane that people don’t want to sponsor discrimination they don’t agree with? Do you enjoy funding planned Parenthood and abortion clinics?

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@pfury

@Sloth

Doesn’t look like the nation, my man. And I’d remind you of the 1st amendment.

Like I said, we weren’t going to see eye to eye.

Luckily, the bigot level drops every year, so your people will be pushed into their moms basements LONG before mine will

Oh, I don’t know. Below replacement levels fertility (30 year low), needing to rely on more religious migrants…

Not to mention that soon enough the only way for young people to be edgy and rebellious against a generation celebrating famous people for the super duper non-discriminating pansexuality as they take their little gender neutral children to school …Is Church!

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@pfury

@Sloth

It’s almost as if instead of protecting the free expression of, or the freedom to assemble as the people please

In what way are you being limited? Is it really that insane that people don’t want to sponsor discrimination they don’t agree with? Do you enjoy funding planned Parenthood and abortion clinics?

See public schools and universities. Institutions receiving federal money have already been doing this.

[Sloth]

Planned parenthood receives money from reimbursements.

[Sloth]

It’s a rather tricky dealio to create a many tentacled leviathan that confiscates and redistributes, and then tell those exercising/expressing their constitutionally protected religious beliefs they can’t participate alongside “good” state-approved religious institutions (what you’re advocating btw) and non-religious organizations. All the while taxing the religious citizen.

[Sloth]

@Sloth

So, defund St. Vincent?

Ok, I’d hope we can see some folks go on record. Yay, or nay?

[pfury]

@Sloth

See public schools and universities. Institutions receiving federal money have already been doing this.

That wasn’t the question

@Sloth

Ok, I’d hope we can see some folks go on record. Yay, or nay?

Does St Vincent control it’s staffing on religious grounds?

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@pfury

@Sloth

See public schools and universities. Institutions receiving federal money have already been doing this.

That wasn’t the question

@Sloth

Ok, I’d hope we can see some folks go on record. Yay, or nay?

Does St Vincent control it’s staffing on religious grounds?

It’s the adoption agency article above.