[quote]Professor X wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
After watching the video, Inner Hulk is the only person making any kind of sense on this thread, the rest of you just seem like a bunch of butt-hurt right wingers.
Agreed. I honestly can’t even take these people seriously anymore at all. They are acting worse than any “crazy liberals” over the last 8 years with this shit.[/quote]
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[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’m pretty apolitical. I don’t have any party affiliation and as far as any politics I participate in, I just vote for the best person for the job based on the person and their policies, not party.
I paid more attention to politics over the last 2-4 years with the presidential election and the absolute terrible situation the republicans have put us in.
I spent a year and a half in Iraq working counter terror and had to witness the situation over there. Then I come back here and open my gym after leaving the military and I have to listen to the neo-cons talk about things they think they know something about from listening to too much Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
The republicans have been wrong with every prediction they make about everything, I have no reason to believe that any of the rest of it will be true. I voted for Obama for no other reason than after looking at the candidate and their policies, he was by far the better candidate. He’s only been in a week and has already done a lot to fix the massive Bush fuck ups.
You have to hear the right wingers bitch about how much he is doing, but if he did nothing they would bitch that he was voted in to do so much but is doing nothing, so it is a no win situation with them, he’ll only do wrong.
If things get 100% better in a couple of years, with global terror at an all time low, the economy at an all time high, and record low levels of unemployment, they would still say he is fucking up.
Now I look at a video of celebrities making a pledge to do things like help the poor, be happier, etc and these people call it ‘scary’? So a couple of them say they pledge to be a servant to the president. That could mean anything, which in the context of the video, seems to mean to do their part to make the world a better place, probably volunteer work or something.
These assholes make out like they are planning to become the SS or something. This is the exact thing that really turns me off to the right wing. There is so much venom, partisan hatred, lying, and plain ignorance that it becomes something that I don’t want any part of and is probably part of the reason why Obama won by a fucking landslide.
I don’t understand why the right has to be so divisive and take this ‘us vs. them’ attitude within our own fucking country instead of just trying make things the best they can be. I’m not saying the left is perfect or doesn’t have it’s own problems (particularly the extreme left), but as a centrist, the right is totally fucked up. [/quote]
You have no grasp of the people on this board, but like many, assume that because we don’t like Obama that we’re all Bush lovers. If you think that the right wingers are running the bulk of hate then you just aren’t paying attention. The ignorance of that last paragraph there makes you sound as if you worked Obama’s campaign.
Actually, this post is so full of fail that I won’t refute you point by point. I’ve gotta get to the range.
Oh yeah, and a centrist is simply a person without core beliefs.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’m pretty apolitical. I don’t have any party affiliation and as far as any politics I participate in, I just vote for the best person for the job based on the person and their policies, not party.
I paid more attention to politics over the last 2-4 years with the presidential election and the absolute terrible situation the republicans have put us in.
I spent a year and a half in Iraq working counter terror and had to witness the situation over there. Then I come back here and open my gym after leaving the military and I have to listen to the neo-cons talk about things they think they know something about from listening to too much Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
The republicans have been wrong with every prediction they make about everything, I have no reason to believe that any of the rest of it will be true. I voted for Obama for no other reason than after looking at the candidate and their policies, he was by far the better candidate. He’s only been in a week and has already done a lot to fix the massive Bush fuck ups.
You have to hear the right wingers bitch about how much he is doing, but if he did nothing they would bitch that he was voted in to do so much but is doing nothing, so it is a no win situation with them, he’ll only do wrong.
If things get 100% better in a couple of years, with global terror at an all time low, the economy at an all time high, and record low levels of unemployment, they would still say he is fucking up.
Now I look at a video of celebrities making a pledge to do things like help the poor, be happier, etc and these people call it ‘scary’? So a couple of them say they pledge to be a servant to the president. That could mean anything, which in the context of the video, seems to mean to do their part to make the world a better place, probably volunteer work or something.
These assholes make out like they are planning to become the SS or something. This is the exact thing that really turns me off to the right wing. There is so much venom, partisan hatred, lying, and plain ignorance that it becomes something that I don’t want any part of and is probably part of the reason why Obama won by a fucking landslide.
I don’t understand why the right has to be so divisive and take this ‘us vs. them’ attitude within our own fucking country instead of just trying make things the best they can be. I’m not saying the left is perfect or doesn’t have it’s own problems (particularly the extreme left), but as a centrist, the right is totally fucked up.
You have no grasp of the people on this board, but like many, assume that because we don’t like Obama that we’re all Bush lovers. If you think that the right wingers are running the bulk of hate then you just aren’t paying attention. The ignorance of that last paragraph there makes you sound as if you worked Obama’s campaign.
Actually, this post is so full of fail that I won’t refute you point by point. I’ve gotta get to the range.
Oh yeah, and a centrist is simply a person without core beliefs.
mike[/quote]
I’m not assuming anyone is a Bush lover. The whole point is that people on this thread think that the stuff in that video is ‘scary’. I’m not terribly trenched in politics, I’ve only started to pay attention over the last few years, but even then, never became entrenched in it. On the left you don’t seem to have the number of Coulters/Hannities/Limbaughs spewing hateful stuff and they definitely don’t get the kind of mainstream airtime.
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
But when blind American patriotism and unquestioned criticism of the president and the government was compared to Nazi Germany, we were crazy liberals.
I do seem to remember the ‘You’re either with us or against us’, ‘Majority rules’, ‘too bad, we’re in charge’, ‘borderline treason’, ‘empowering the terrorists’, whenever questioning even the most miniscule policies during the past 8 years. Not to mention threats of getting rid of the filibuster rather than working with the dem minority in congress.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.[/quote]
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
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That’s not always true. I can be smug and insufferable at times, and quite prone to sarcasm, but I could hardly be accused of being a leftist.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
…comparing those in the video to those who followed Hitler is just silly…
A good student of history might think differently. A good student might recognize a human mindset that portends grave consequences are to follow.[/quote]
I live in a very liberal location. I still don’t see the majority acting as if President Obama is some sort of savior.
But this thread is simply about a few entertainers who have resolved to be better people in one way or another. Comparing that to the folowers of Hitler is silly, darling.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
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I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
Moderates are the champions of smug. Notice how they’re always pointing to “extremists on both sides?” As if to say, "I’m not one of those people, I’m reasonable and fashionably centrist. I rise above your finger pointing, you fringe-dwelling wingnuts!
Everyone else is a potential Pol Pot or Hitler! I can see both sides of the arguement, and those who don’t will lead us to our ruin!"
They always make a production of how set in their ways they are, when it comes to their luke-warm ideology. They’re the most proud, partisan, and smug of all!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”[/quote]
Well damn, you beat me to it. Lol. There is truly nothing as extreme as a dead center wing nut. The far middle of the political spectrum worries me.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”[/quote]
Hey, that’s like me! LOL
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”[/quote]
The reason you don’t appreciate my superiority is because you just don’t know any better, baby.
That’s okay though. The mouth breathing extremists usually don’t understand reason.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Even if you see leftists like Olbermann, Maddow who get mainstream air time, they have no where near the kind of hateful rhetoric of the others. If the bulk of hate isn’t coming from the right, it surely isn’t obvious. Point me in the direction where I can find it because it sure isn’t given air time in the mainstream media as far as I have ever seen.
Oh my goodness, it’s certainly out there!
In my experience the far left is smug and insufferable, and prone to sarcasm. The far right is growly and miserable, and given to thinly veiled threats.
They seem to be about evenly numbered from what I can tell.
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”
Well damn, you beat me to it. Lol. There is truly nothing as extreme as a dead center wing nut. The far middle of the political spectrum worries me.[/quote]
Agreed. I again contend that centrists simply lack principles, but they also create extremists. If the bulk of the people are going to take a centrist route, then the more extreme you are, the better off you’ll be because they’ll side more in your direction than your opposition.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
…
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”
[/quote]
Count me in?
[quote]
Well damn, you beat me to it. Lol. There is truly nothing as extreme as a dead center wing nut. The far middle of the political spectrum worries me.
Agreed. I again contend that centrists simply lack principles, but they also create extremists. If the bulk of the people are going to take a centrist route, then the more extreme you are, the better off you’ll be because they’ll side more in your direction than your opposition.
mike[/quote]
Hmmm…I never thought I would find myself defending here prudence, pragmatism and moderation against the tyranny of ideology.
Not enough time or typeface to defend American Pluralism. But I can’t resist re-cycling this quotation:
“There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are not confined to a single part of the society. They are terrorists of the mind.”
–A. Barltett Giammatti, then President of Yale, 1986.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
…
I agree. But the far right is equally as smug and insufferable as the far left.
As are many so-called centrists who look in both directions with noses held high in the air and say, “Hmmmmmph…I’m so glad I’m better than these kooks. I’m so fuckin reasonable and I can’t for the life of me see why these people don’t appreciate my marked superiority!”
Count me in?
Well damn, you beat me to it. Lol. There is truly nothing as extreme as a dead center wing nut. The far middle of the political spectrum worries me.
Agreed. I again contend that centrists simply lack principles, but they also create extremists. If the bulk of the people are going to take a centrist route, then the more extreme you are, the better off you’ll be because they’ll side more in your direction than your opposition.
mike
Hmmm…I never thought I would find myself defending here prudence, pragmatism and moderation against the tyranny of ideology.
Not enough time or typeface to defend American Pluralism. But I can’t resist re-cycling this quotation:
“There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are not confined to a single part of the society. They are terrorists of the mind.”
–A. Barltett Giammatti, then President of Yale, 1986.
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“I would rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston phone book than by the 2,000 people on the faculty of Yale.” -William Buckley.
mike
On a more serious note, I don’t consider myself a centrist at all. I would probably say, if pushed, that I have mixed political views. I’m strongly anti-union but also deeply committed to caring for the mentally ill. I’m for decriminalizing drugs and strengthening assault-type laws (assault, rape, manslaughter).
My superiority lies in my ability to think for myself rather than wait for someone to tell me how “we” think. I am able to listen to Rush and read Buckley without feeling threatened by their views and I can and do enjoy reading from a wide range of ultra-liberal sources, from which I can take what I want. Or nothing at all.
That I rarely bother with pissing contests does not make my views tepid. It merely indicates that I value my time. I can read your (extreme) views and consider them. Occasionally I’ll even shift (generally that would only be true where I am not well educated on a topic).
Once in a blue moon I’ll argue because it can be fun. But then I’m always sadly reminded that extremists are married to their Ideology Set and cannot be swayed by reason.