AYN RAND -
end of story.
Diogenes. He was the Oscar the Grouch of the ancient world. Diogenes - Wikipedia
I read that diogenes used to masturbate in public to break norms/conventions, and that he slept under an urn!
[quote]saveski wrote:
AYN RAND -
end of story.[/quote]
Please explain.
It counts.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
It counts.[/quote]
Well this paradox is certainly truth isn’t it? Lol It’s a silly example but try to debate it.
“Unexpected cannot be expected… But you expect it? So it is expected. Then wouldn’t it no longer be unexpected? But it was unexpected before it was expected. So how can it not be unexpected?” The genius lies in its truth is only in its simplest form. The more you try to add to it the more tangled it becomes. The unexpected becomes expected when you expect it to.
That has to be a load of hogwash lmfao… Whatever I tried. Attempting to explain the truth in paradox is paradoxical lol. Oh god please just ignore this post lmfao I cannot believe the shit I am typing.
mmm bacon.
You stop thinking for yourself and become a perpetual regurgitation machine.
then you are doing it wrong.
with respect to ‘where to’ it depends on what you are interested in.
Scroll down until you get to the blue links. Pick either what interests you or what your school is good at (because those teachers are perhaps more likely to be good / inspiring):
http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/breakdown.asp
If certain schools rank highly in a particular area that you are interested in, then you might want to check out the research that their faculty are doing (this information should be found on their homepages). There is also a list of experts who decide the rankings (listed at the end of each area). Their work would be worth checking out, too. If you are interested in reading current stuff, anyway. Luck.
NOTE: This is biased in that it focuses for the most part on US philosophers and academic philosophy as it is practiced in the English speaking world.
[quote]saveski wrote:
AYN RAND -
end of story.[/quote]
Correct. But most are unable to see it because she’s not a member of that clique called academia.
one could make the same point with later wittgenstein or any philosopher beginning with H (aside from Hume), i think (that is a bit tongue in cheek of course). if i understand you correctly.
(aka: check out those listed under ‘Continental Philosophy’ and you will probably find someone who is sympathetic to Ayn Rand).
Of course that assumes that you are interested in the work of people who are currently alive (though some only just). Many of them engage in philosophy of (insert historical figure here).
There can be a value in working with others (critiquing their ideas, developing their ideas in new ways, introducing them to your own ideas) etc.
Aristotle.
Machiavelli, Thomas More, Philippe Duplessis-Mornay, Jean Bodin, Thomas Paine, John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison
Marcus Aurelius
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Marcus Aurelius [/quote]
+1
I’m not a very academic guy but I like Epictetus as well and stoicism in general.
Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo and Lao Tzu are interesting from an Eastern perspective.
I haven’t read any Ayn Rand, although I’m curious. A good friend of mine is a huge fan of hers, and he and I don’t see eye to eye on much so I think I’ve been kind of avoiding her stuff, haha.
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[quote]hlss09 wrote:
Haha good responses. I like Kant’s ethics and his non-consequential ideas. I also like Nietzsche’s work a lot. I love his whole will to power idea, I love his “get out there and take what you want” attitude. Yes, I realize these 2 philosophers are pretty much polar opposites, but that doesn’t mean I can’t respect them both.
In fact, I just wrote a huge paper on consequential vs. non-consequential ethics. My professor wanted us to contrast Utilitarianism w/ Kantianism. I see how these two ethical theories are different, but I honestly think that both can work simultaneously. Life isn’t a vacuum, there usually isn’t ONE WAY ONLY to think about things. I mean to say that in any given situation I can think about things through a Utilitarian perspective WHiLE also thinking through a Kantian perspective. I don’t know if that makes any sense, lol, I’ve been busy/sleep deprived all week, but yeah, I’m glad to see other people dig philosophy![/quote]
no it doesn’t make sense, because with Kant, morals (the good) are fixed, while in Utilitarianism whatever benefits the most people is what is good or right and thus not fixed. This leads to inherent clashes between the philosophies.
Hypothetical: terrorists say they will blow up a city unless you kill 10 innocent girls. Utilitarians would say killing the girls is right and good, because it benefits the most people. Kant would say killing is always morally reprehensible and thus killing the girls would be bad. Clearly not compatible.[/quote]
False dichotomy.
Utilitarians would say kill the terrorists.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Marcus Aurelius [/quote]
+1
I’m not a very academic guy but I like Epictetus as well and stoicism in general.
Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo and Lao Tzu are interesting from an Eastern perspective.
I haven’t read any Ayn Rand, although I’m curious. A good friend of mine is a huge fan of hers, and he and I don’t see eye to eye on much so I think I’ve been kind of avoiding her stuff, haha.[/quote]
Yea I’ve found stoicism to be really appealing. I like Musashi’s Book of Five Rings a lot as well.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Marcus Aurelius [/quote]
+1
I’m not a very academic guy but I like Epictetus as well and stoicism in general.
Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo and Lao Tzu are interesting from an Eastern perspective.
I haven’t read any Ayn Rand, although I’m curious. A good friend of mine is a huge fan of hers, and he and I don’t see eye to eye on much so I think I’ve been kind of avoiding her stuff, haha.[/quote]
Yea I’ve found stoicism to be really appealing. I like Musashi’s Book of Five Rings a lot as well. [/quote]
Stoicism is the mentality that one lapses into when he’s given up on achieving values and thriving in life. I don’t see how any bodybuilder could find that appealing.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Marcus Aurelius [/quote]
+1
I’m not a very academic guy but I like Epictetus as well and stoicism in general.
Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo and Lao Tzu are interesting from an Eastern perspective.
I haven’t read any Ayn Rand, although I’m curious. A good friend of mine is a huge fan of hers, and he and I don’t see eye to eye on much so I think I’ve been kind of avoiding her stuff, haha.[/quote]
Yea I’ve found stoicism to be really appealing. I like Musashi’s Book of Five Rings a lot as well. [/quote]
Stoicism is the mentality that one lapses into when he’s given up on achieving values and thriving in life. I don’t see how any bodybuilder could find that appealing. [/quote]
My understanding is different, and I am not a bodybuilder. I thought it was more about having mental fortitude over things in life, and not letting negativity and back luck or whatever you want to call it, affect your outlook.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]belligerent wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Marcus Aurelius [/quote]
+1
I’m not a very academic guy but I like Epictetus as well and stoicism in general.
Also Yamamoto Tsunetomo and Lao Tzu are interesting from an Eastern perspective.
I haven’t read any Ayn Rand, although I’m curious. A good friend of mine is a huge fan of hers, and he and I don’t see eye to eye on much so I think I’ve been kind of avoiding her stuff, haha.[/quote]
Yea I’ve found stoicism to be really appealing. I like Musashi’s Book of Five Rings a lot as well. [/quote]
Stoicism is the mentality that one lapses into when he’s given up on achieving values and thriving in life. I don’t see how any bodybuilder could find that appealing. [/quote]
My understanding is different, and I am not a bodybuilder. I thought it was more about having mental fortitude over things in life, and not letting negativity and back luck or whatever you want to call it, affect your outlook.[/quote]
Yeah, I really don’t see how Wisdom, Courage, Justice and Temperance aren’t worthwhile values. As I recall Marcus Aurelius and Seneca both led reasonably full, if not easy, lives. I also don’t see how applying self discipline, independence and reason while not allowing external circumstances, hardships or the opinions of others to dictate your actions/attitudes is not of potential value to a bodybuilder or any athlete for that matter. I’m not picking a fight, I just don’t understand this comment unless belligerent is referring to the more common modern context of stoicism as simply being devoid of visible passion or emotion.
I got a copy of For the New Intellectual by Ayn Rand. It’s a great book so far, has anyone else read it?
My Italian family, especially my great uncle Franco.