The Left vs. the Left

You’re the lefty that likes government control of everything so it’s on you to explain why consumers don’t get to make this choice. It’s because of the government after all.

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In other words, you didn’t read my post.

So… You’ve never, ever worked in medicine or pharm research then?

Nor do you understand basic history or medicine either?

Who would have guessed?

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It’s pretty entertaining, though.

I used to work for Johns Hopkins a few year back. They receive more federal research dollars than any other institution in the country. At the time, they received double what #2 received (Duke IIRC). We’re talking millions and millions spent on all kinds of research.

I supported The Department of Neurology and saw dozens of NIH grants for Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, etc… But dat big Pharm, though…

So ridiculous.

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You mean like…

Tetanus
Rabies
Polio
Rinderpest
Whooping cough
Measles
Smallpox
Hepatitis C
tuberculosis
Pneumonia
Bacterial meningitis
Gonorrhea
Yaws
Hookworm

And about any bacterial illness you can name.

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Ummm… Listen here you privileged white male, those all have vaccines, which are evil, and just a money scam by big pharma. We shouldn’t buy into evil capitalism that gives our children autism. So we can ignore your facts. Plus, you’re white, your facts are just opinions now.

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I can’t belive you assumed it’s gender…

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Xe can take it. I don’t care about Xim anyway… He’s white, member?

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LMAO.

I’m dying here, these are too good!

We’re global now, so all of your old words are going to be replaced by emogies.

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It’s like referring to a Chinese dynasty or something.

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No. They are incompatible positions.

You want more extensive food labeling so consumers know what they’re getting into. Fine. I don’t necessarily disagree with this, although I do think there are some serious practical and logistical issues with its implementation (for example, some farmers grow their produce 100% “organic” but have not sought official FDA approval to label it such because it costs them so much extra money).

But now, since you want consumers to know what they’re getting into, what agency creates the equivalent of “food labeling” for medicine? The FDA, by requiring a rigorous multi-stage testing process requiring studies of dose escalation, safefy, and efficacy, that is literally how we obtain the necessary information to give consumers a realistic idea of safe dosage, likelihood of benefit from treatment, and possible side effects. Without the FDA process, the consumer will have no way of obtaining said information, nor will companies have anything to keep them (somewhat) honest. They can market literally any therapy they want, make any claim that they want, and consumers will be reduced to, what, reading Amazon reviews from other people with similar conditions to decide what will work for them?

Just look at the supplement industry. People can make all sorts of crazy, unsubstantiated claims and yet consumers will gobble up whatever product tells them what they want to hear (“Gain 50 pounds of muscle with GAINSPLODE!”) That’s basically what medicine would become without the FDA, or at least some version of a regulated drug-approval process.

Because most consumers are not nearly educated enough to figure out for themselves whether any treatment is safe or effective. There’s no real point in explaining this to you any more, but for anyone else reading, most of the “evidence” you’ve posted from cellmedicine.com are just the basic-science studies showing things like cell replication, or biologic activity; the clinical outcomes research isn’t nearly enough to convince me that “stem cells” are sufficiently developed to have a major benefit in cardiovascular disease; in fact, earlier in this thread I posted links to a published meta-analysis of 12 studies that showed “stem cells” had no benefit in the setting of acute MI. We now have pretty compelling evidence that stem-cell treatment doesn’t work for those patients, but we would never learn that without scientific studies, and “the consumer could decide” to receive a therapy that we now know does not work in that setting.

Determining whether a drug is actually safe and effective requires scientific study.

It’s insane that I even have to explain this.

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It is an expression of an internal contradiction of capitalism “profit at any cost” and you’ve bought it.

It is the government doing the bidding of corporations at the expense of the public. An inevitable outgrowth of capitalism with little control. But you’re so blinded by your ideology you can’t see it.

So one needs to work in the industry to offer up valid criticism?

So Big Pharma works towards cures rather than suppression of symptoms?

Big Pharma is not beholden to their shareholders to make as much money as possible?

Were these cures developed recently?

When were these created?

Uhuh, right… That’s why we have:

The highest corporate tax rate in the world.

Intrusive EPA guidelines companies have fought against and lost.

GMO labeling. Fought and lost.

Tens of millions in SEC fines every years.

So on and so forth…

It’s all just smoke and mirrors, right? Completely ridiculous.

2.6B in fines:

Sure is a weird way of showing control.
http://www.thinkadvisor.com/2013/01/24/secs-16-biggest-penalties-since-financial-crisis

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