The Inauguration

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I don’t know, just doesn’t seem all that historical to me. Obviously whites were ready to vote for a black man, or he would have lost. No need to bring up black voters.
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If it was up to Whites he would have lost, so yeah there is a need to bring up Black voters. :stuck_out_tongue:

As far as the rest I think Obama is a pragmatist in disguise. He’s already pissing off the far-left and the far-right; hopefully that means he’s doing something right.

Historic event and a great day for our country. People trying to downplay it really need to look at their history books again. Truly momentous, whether you’re a fan or not.

[quote]lucasa wrote:
Really? You didn’t think after reading his book, maybe he or some other black man could be President? Not in the next 50 yrs.!?
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His books weren’t so exceptional that anyone thought this man will be president immediately…

[quote]lucasa wrote:

When he announced his candidacy, you didn’t think he had a snowball’s chance?
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Actually no, I didn’t. And neither did a lot of other Black people. Black people were overwhelmingly for Hillary until Barack proved he could grab the White vote as well.

[quote]lucasa wrote:

You didn’t think after getting the nomination over an experienced, white, ‘Washington Insider’ that his chances of winning were a little better than 50/50?
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Once he beat Hill it was his race to lose, but I was scared all the way till the 4th I’ll tell ya that.

[quote]lucasa wrote:

What fucking planet were you living on? You didn’t think you could catch a break or work hard and excel in this world until a black man was president? What the hell is wrong with you?
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That’s the whole point. This election represents a wakeup call for Black people: “hey maybe things aren’t so bad”. It’s an attitudinal shift. It’s a very tangible measurement of progress. It doesn’t mean all racism is gone, but it does mean that it’s a lot better than many Black people thought it was. It doesn’t solve problems all by itself, but it does represent a very real change in Black people’s perception of society at large.

[quote]valiance. wrote:

That’s the whole point. This election represents a wakeup call for Black people: “hey maybe things aren’t so bad”. It’s an attitudinal shift. It’s a very tangible measurement of progress. It doesn’t mean all racism is gone, but it does mean that it’s a lot better than many Black people thought it was. It doesn’t solve problems all by itself, but it does represent a very real change in Black people’s perception of society at large. [/quote]

But that would take away some of our posters reason for living! Racism is everywhere, all white people are secret racists, and want to burn crosses on black peoples’ property!

Of course, some of the posters here couldn’t figure out what racism is if it bit them on the arse.

Hell, 40% of people in America go to fast food joints because they can’t read a menu and McDonald’s has pictures. They’re supposed to know what racism is?

LOL!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

LOL

“First off” it is a huge deal because despite what the average young to middle aged white male experiences over the course of a life time, racism never died and many thought they would never see someone with more melanin than Bill O’Reilly get elected into office during their life time.

I do find it cute how so many want to leap frog over instances in history like this as if they aren’t extremely significant stepping stones based on their own limited perspective.[/quote]

Racism will not be truly conquered until this is not considered important. The day it really does not matter, and nobody takes notice to the candidates race.

It would also be good if people actually had another reason to have voted for him other then the color of his skin.

Personally I would have preferred our first black president to have a successful term in office, and I just do not see that happening. (Admittedly McCain wasn’t much better.)

As I have stated before, (and I assume others have pointed out,) regardless of the propaganda out there, this is not the realization of King’s dream. He is, and was judged based on the color of his skin, and that is the travesty here that some just do not get.

[quote]valiance. wrote:

Sloth:
If it was up to Whites he would have lost, so yeah there is a need to bring up Black voters. :stuck_out_tongue:
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My point about black voters was that is was a given. No one wondered if Obama, by simply entering the race, was going to lock up the vast majority of the black vote, and a very large portion of the hispanic vote. He’s black. He’s a Democrat. It was a given. As far as the white vote, he didn’t do any worse than Kerry. In fact, I believe Obama grabbed a few more percentage points among whites than Kerry had. Like I said, I never once felt like his race was going to lose him his bid for the white house.

It was a historic day to say the least.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

What’s so ironic is that he really only shows up in this part of the forum to incite this sort of thing.
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I posted this three times in the Off Topic forum. I even pm’d the mod’s to keep it out of this forum. They stuck it here anyway. I try to avoid the idiots in this forum as much as possible. The few who do actually carry on decent debate are drowned out by the ones who are basically trolls and clear racists.

Take your accusations elsewhere.

Hey prof x, did you get stung by some bees? You look all swolled up.

One more time, just for fun:

Inaugural Address
By President Barack Hussein Obama

 My fellow citizens:  I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you've bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. 

 I thank President Bush for his service to our nation -- (applause) -- as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.

 Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath.  The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace.  Yet, every so often, the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms.  At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because we, the people, have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears and true to our founding documents. 

 So it has been; so it must be with this generation of Americans.

 That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood.  Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.  Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age.  Homes have been lost, jobs shed, businesses shuttered.  Our health care is too costly, our schools fail too many -- and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.

 These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics.  Less measurable, but no less profound, is a sapping of confidence across our land; a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, that the next generation must lower its sights.

 Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real.  They are serious and they are many.  They will not be met easily or in a short span of time.  But know this America:  They will be met.  (Applause.)

 On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.  On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics.  We remain a young nation.  But in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things.  The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea passed on from generation to generation:  the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.  (Applause.)

 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation we understand that greatness is never a given.  It must be earned.  Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less.  It has not been the path for the faint-hearted, for those that prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame.  Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things -- some celebrated, but more often men and women obscure in their labor -- who have carried us up the long rugged path towards prosperity and freedom. 

 For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.  For us, they toiled in sweatshops, and settled the West, endured the lash of the whip, and plowed the hard earth.  For us, they fought and died in places like Concord and Gettysburg, Normandy and Khe Sahn. 

 Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life.  They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions, greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.

 This is the journey we continue today.  We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth.  Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began.  Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week, or last month, or last year.  Our capacity remains undiminished.  But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions -- that time has surely passed.  Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.  (Applause.)

 For everywhere we look, there is work to be done.  The state of our economy calls for action, bold and swift.  And we will act, not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth.  We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together.  We'll restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost.  We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories.  And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age.  All this we can do.  All this we will do.

 Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions, who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans.  Their memories are short, for they have forgotten what this country has already done, what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.  What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them, that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. 

 The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works -- whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified.  Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward.  Where the answer is no, programs will end.  And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account, to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day, because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.

 Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill.  Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched.  But this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control.  The nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.  The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our gross domestic product, but on the reach of our prosperity, on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart -- not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.  (Applause.)

 As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.  Our Founding Fathers -- (applause) -- our Founding Fathers, faced with perils that we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man -- a charter expanded by the blood of generations.  Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience sake.  (Applause.)

 And so, to all the other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born, know that America is a friend of each nation, and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity.  And we are ready to lead once more.  (Applause.)

 Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with the sturdy alliances and enduring convictions.  They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please.  Instead they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

 We are the keepers of this legacy.  Guided by these principles once more we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort, even greater cooperation and understanding between nations.  We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan.  With old friends and former foes, we'll work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet.

 We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense.  And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken -- you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.  (Applause.)

 For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness.  We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.  We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.

 To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect.  To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West, know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy.  (Applause.)  

 To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history, but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.  (Applause.)

 To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds.  And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to the suffering outside our borders, nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect.  For the world has changed, and we must change with it.

 As we consider the role that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who at this very hour patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains.  They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. 

We honor them not only because they are the guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service – a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves.

 And yet at this moment, a moment that will define a generation, it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.  For as much as government can do, and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies.  It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours.  It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child that finally decides our fate.

 Our challenges may be new.  The instruments with which we meet them may be new.  But those values upon which our success depends -- honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism -- these things are old.  These things are true.  They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. 

 What is demanded, then, is a return to these truths.  What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility -- a recognition on the part of every American that we have duties to ourselves, our nation and the world; duties that we do not grudgingly accept, but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character than giving our all to a difficult task.

 This is the price and the promise of citizenship.  This is the source of our confidence -- the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.  This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed, why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall; and why a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been served in a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.  (Applause.)

 So let us mark this day with remembrance of who we are and how far we have traveled.  In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river.  The capital was abandoned.  The enemy was advancing.  The snow was stained with blood.  At the moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words to be read to the people: 

 "Let it be told to the future world...that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive... that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."

 America:  In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words.  With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come.  Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.

 Thank you.  God bless you.  And God bless the United States of America.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

The whole thing is really pretty dumb, anyway. After all, how did Obama get to be president except for the fact that so many white Americans were able to move past race and vote for the man?

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Think about that for a minute bro. You are assuming that the reason a black was not elected in the past was due to whites not ‘moving past race’. Yet nearly all blacks voted for him purely because he is black. So what is that?

Also, how do you know that a black was not elected in the past because whites were voting based on skin color? Ever think that it might have been because there has not been a qualified black with the right temperament that ran for the office?

The fact is that Hispanics/Latino’s are the largest group next to whites in the US. So statistically the next group that should have representation in the White House would be Hispanics, not be blacks.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Do you think ABC deliberately made it appear as if the cheers and crowd mood was subdued? Really?

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No, ABC filtered the sound out so that the viewing audience could hear the speech clearly. It wasn’t anything insidious as you are implying. It was just normal TV standard operating procedure.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
Professor X wrote:

LOL

“First off” it is a huge deal because despite what the average young to middle aged white male experiences over the course of a life time, racism never died and many thought they would never see someone with more melanin than Bill O’Reilly get elected into office during their life time.

I do find it cute how so many want to leap frog over instances in history like this as if they aren’t extremely significant stepping stones based on their own limited perspective.
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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Racism will not be truly conquered until this is not considered important. The day it really does not matter, and nobody takes notice to the candidates race.
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Agreed.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
It would also be good if people actually had another reason to have voted for him other then the color of his skin.
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I like how the assumption is that everyone voting for Obama was voting solely on the basis of skin color. I’m sure everyone voting for McCain had solid ideological reasons for it. Oh no, those voters could not be voting based on color at all. If I was rolling my eyes any harder they’d fly out of my head.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
Personally I would have preferred our first black president to have a successful term in office, and I just do not see that happening. (Admittedly McCain wasn’t much better.)
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I disagree emphatically. My politics are similar to the president’s, I believe he’s intelligent and pragmatic, and he’s already (3 days in) fulfilling campaign promises and working on executive orders to get rid of the detritus of the last 8 years.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
As I have stated before, (and I assume others have pointed out,) regardless of the propaganda out there, this is not the realization of King’s dream. He is, and was judged based on the color of his skin, and that is the travesty here that some just do not get.[/quote]

You gotta start somewhere. Maybe 3 or 4 Black Presidents from now it won’t be a big deal. But guess what? The first Black President was always going to have race as a huge part of his campaign and candidacy, and Obama handled it with a deftness that I think he’s not being given enough credit for. This sure hand accounts for his popularity among Black and Whites alike.

It’s a mistake to paint Obama as some Bobby Rush or Eldridge Cleaver type because of the church he went to. If you do you’re missing what he actually he is because you want to paint him as a racist. You want to believe in anti-White racism way worse than any Leftists who believe in discrimination against Black and other minorities.

@ Sloth: OK point taken. So maybe (maaaaybe) the prObama racists canceled out the traditional racists and maybe his race was a wash. But that wasn’t the result a lot of Black people were expecting this time last year.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Chushin wrote:

The whole thing is really pretty dumb, anyway. After all, how did Obama get to be president except for the fact that so many white Americans were able to move past race and vote for the man?

Think about that for a minute bro. You are assuming that the reason a black was not elected in the past was due to whites not ‘moving past race’. Yet nearly all blacks voted for him purely because he is black. So what is that?

Also, how do you know that a black was not elected in the past because whites were voting based on skin color? Ever think that it might have been because there has not been a qualified black with the right temperament that ran for the office?

The fact is that Hispanics/Latino’s are the largest group next to whites in the US. So statistically the next group that should have representation in the White House would be Hispanics, not be blacks.
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You are absolutely fuckin mental. Until 1965 Black people could barely vote in this country and now you’re saying the reason we didn’t see a Black president till 2009 is because of Black lack of qualifications and not White racism? Fuck outta here! Why do you think there are so few qualified Black candidates? I’ll give you the right answer since I doubt you’d come up with it yourself. Ready? It’s hundreds of years of oppression and the concomitant social and financial adversity.

And Latinos have been a larger group than Blacks for how long? And how much of that population is illegal or even speaks English? How much of that population is politicized or an integral part of the local DNC or RNC? Maybe this next century we’ll see some progress on the front of Latino politicalization, but its not as easy as Obama made it appear.

Furthermore, it’s a grave mistake to just compare numbers and say we’re next. You know you should have been next if you go by the numbers? Women. We need 43 female presidents in a row if that’s how you imagine things work.

I don’t know what system you’ve got in your head. So latinos are more of a percentage of the population than blacks so we prevent all white people from running and choose our candidates from the few minorities left? wtf! Fact is even if we had proportional ethnic representation among politicians (which we emphatically do not) and a random lottery selected between them to decide the President (which again is clearly untrue) it’d take decades for any minority group to catch up to the number of White Male presidents (and centuries for women). Shit even if we excluded White people from this hypothetical lottery the way you suggest a balancing of the scales would still take forever. Sorry dude what you suggested here is pretty retarded.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
valiance. wrote:

That’s the whole point. This election represents a wakeup call for Black people: “hey maybe things aren’t so bad”. It’s an attitudinal shift. It’s a very tangible measurement of progress. It doesn’t mean all racism is gone, but it does mean that it’s a lot better than many Black people thought it was. It doesn’t solve problems all by itself, but it does represent a very real change in Black people’s perception of society at large.

But that would take away some of our posters reason for living! Racism is everywhere, all white people are secret racists, and want to burn crosses on black peoples’ property!

Of course, some of the posters here couldn’t figure out what racism is if it bit them on the arse.

Hell, 40% of people in America go to fast food joints because they can’t read a menu and McDonald’s has pictures. They’re supposed to know what racism is?

LOL!

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Well racism does still exist here in the US but I’m not interested in trying to prove it. I’ve done so before (on these very forums even) and though sometimes it leads to good discussions and enlightenment on both sides–oftentimes it’s just way too much work for way too little gain. Just trust me when I say that sufferers aren’t just making this shit up.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Why is it historical?

I don’t understand this ‘historical’ stuff they are spouting in the media.

Either it is historical because there finally is a black man who is qualified to be the president, or historical because instead of voting for someone because they are white everyone voted for someone because they were black.

Either way is bogus IMO. So historical? I think not.

The best man was elected and that is all there is to it.

You honestly don’t understand how any of this is historical? You aren’t serious are you? I know that I have given you shit in the past, but by making this statement, it says way more about you than anything anyone could say. You can’t possibly be this clueless.

Cut the crap and personal attacks and explain why you think it is historical?

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Why don’t you cut the crap little boy?. Do you have any concept of the history of this country, or are you normally this obtuse and contrary? Why don’t YOU explain that likely you are probably the ONLY one in the entire world (with very few exceptions) that doesn’t understand that this is a historical event? Your own statement above just illustrates how ignorant you are about the whole event and really seems more like a troll job than anything else.

I do not have the time nor the interest in explaining the history of this country or defining what history is to you. If you don’t get it, it’s your loss. However, Barack Hussein Obama is the first african-american president of the USA, which 40-50 years ago wouldn’t have even been thought of as being possible. There is nothing that any hate-filled person on here or in this country can do about it. It’s done! Like you and the other idiots told us in 2000 and 2004: Get over it and move on!

Amazing, a brand new year and you still are playing the troll.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
NealRaymond2 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
NealRaymond2 wrote:
…I don’t think all our problems would be solved if we would go back to a strict interpretation of the constitution…

Which problems would go unsolved if we did?

  • We are all going to get old.
  • We are all going to die.
  • People will suffer (maybe less overall in the long run if the US government would revert to a stricter interpretation of its constitution, but people will still suffer).
  • There will be bad weather.
  • There will be acne.
  • There will be mental and physical handicaps.
  • There will be halitosis.
  • There will be injustice.
  • There will be double bogies.
  • There will be cruelty.
  • There will be crab grass.
  • There will be jet lag.
  • There will be rust.
  • There will be mosquitos.

Shall I go on?

No need. You just implied that you actually agreed with me.[/quote]

That makes it a census… Strict constitutional interpretation…I don’t really see where the authors of it were vague.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Think about that for a minute bro. You are assuming that the reason a black was not elected in the past was due to whites not ‘moving past race’. Yet nearly all blacks voted for him purely because he is black. So what is that?

Also, how do you know that a black was not elected in the past because whites were voting based on skin color? Ever think that it might have been because there has not been a qualified black with the right temperament that ran for the office?
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Wow, you truly have NO idea how things have been in this country when it comes to race and politics, do you?

When the first Hispanic gets in the White House, I will celebrate that too. However, it is just within the last 10-20 years that Hispanics/Latinos have been the largest group next to whites. Before then, it was black people. Also, the history of Hispanics/Latinos in this country is much different than what blacks in this country have faced. So there is a feeling involved in this event that a relative few, like yourself, will not understand nor appreciate.

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Think about that for a minute bro. You are assuming that the reason a black was not elected in the past was due to whites not ‘moving past race’. Yet nearly all blacks voted for him purely because he is black. So what is that?

Also, how do you know that a black was not elected in the past because whites were voting based on skin color? Ever think that it might have been because there has not been a qualified black with the right temperament that ran for the office?

Wow, you truly have NO idea how things have been in this country when it comes to race and politics, do you?

The fact is that Hispanics/Latino’s are the largest group next to whites in the US. So statistically the next group that should have representation in the White House would be Hispanics, not be blacks.

When the first Hispanic gets in the White House, I will celebrate that too. However, it is just within the last 10-20 years that Hispanics/Latinos have been the largest group next to whites. Before then, it was black people. Also, the history of Hispanics/Latinos in this country is much different than what blacks in this country have faced. So there is a feeling involved in this event that a relative few, like yourself, will not understand nor appreciate. [/quote]

Good post. I doubt that, regardless of the credentials, any black man would have made it into office before at least 1985-1990 due to the stigma attached to race in this country. Things seemed to take a much larger turn for the better in the early 90’s as far as race relations.

The sad thing is that this has to be explained. I guess in 40 years, guys in their 20’s will be acting like slavery was a myth and that everyone was happy and considered equal since the 1860’s.

I don’t understand how when 99% of the world gets it there are still some slack jawed idiots looking around like… what’s the big deal? I dun get it durrr… Seriously? Man I’m glad I stayed away as long as I did when I see some of this posts. I mean honestly…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
masonator wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
But mostly I wish it would be over already so I wouldn’t have to hear about it anymore.

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Yes, because the first Black president is such a minor issue that we want it to end as quickly as possible.

First off, the fact that it has been such a huge deal is a bad thing, not a good one. If it was being treated the same as every other inauguration, that would be a step forward. I’m not against it getting equal coverage of past presidential inaugurations, I’m against it getting 10 times the coverage. I’m for equal coverage.

Second, the guy I wanted elected didn’t win (not McCain), so yes that makes me bitter a bit from a political standpoint.

Third, I only have rabbit ears, so almost all the channels I have have been covering it for seemingly 23 hours a day.

LOL

“First off” it is a huge deal because despite what the average young to middle aged white male experiences over the course of a life time, racism never died and many thought they would never see someone with more melanin than Bill O’Reilly get elected into office during their life time.

I do find it cute how so many want to leap frog over instances in history like this as if they aren’t extremely significant stepping stones based on their own limited perspective.[/quote]

Prof X it would seem that the one with the most limited perspective is you. I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again why does everything have to be about skin colour to you?

[quote]The Mage wrote:
It would also be good if people actually had another reason to have voted for him other then the color of his skin.

valiance. wrote:
I like how the assumption is that everyone voting for Obama was voting solely on the basis of skin color. I’m sure everyone voting for McCain had solid ideological reasons for it. Oh no, those voters could not be voting based on color at all. If I was rolling my eyes any harder they’d fly out of my head.[/quote]

Prior to the election, there was a poll of both Obama supporters, and McCain supporters. 8% stated they were voting for McCain because he was white, and 20% stated they were voting for Obama because he was black. And because this was only people willing to admit their reason, I would assume the numbers were actually higher. But it is the dramatic difference that matters here.

“The first black president” theme was overwhelming. Ok, he is black… what else does he have? Hope… Change. Oh yeah, change and hope. Where was the substance?

The whole idea that this was an “historic” day shows exactly how people were thinking, and why they voted the way they did.[quote]

The Mage wrote:
Personally I would have preferred our first black president to have a successful term in office, and I just do not see that happening. (Admittedly McCain wasn’t much better.)

valiance. wrote:
I disagree emphatically. My politics are similar to the president’s, I believe he’s intelligent and pragmatic, and he’s already (3 days in) fulfilling campaign promises and working on executive orders to get rid of the detritus of the last 8 years.[/quote]

Well Bush is gone, so people can quit hating him.

Anyway the most disastrous things Bush did were quite liberal. Had he been a Democrat, people would have been cheering for what he did. Expanding the government, and social programs.

If it was supposed to have been so bad, why do more of the same?[quote]

The Mage wrote:
As I have stated before, (and I assume others have pointed out,) regardless of the propaganda out there, this is not the realization of King’s dream. He is, and was judged based on the color of his skin, and that is the travesty here that some just do not get.

valiance. wrote:
You gotta start somewhere. Maybe 3 or 4 Black Presidents from now it won’t be a big deal. But guess what? The first Black President was always going to have race as a huge part of his campaign and candidacy, and Obama handled it with a deftness that I think he’s not being given enough credit for. This sure hand accounts for his popularity among Black and Whites alike.

It’s a mistake to paint Obama as some Bobby Rush or Eldridge Cleaver type because of the church he went to. If you do you’re missing what he actually he is because you want to paint him as a racist.

You want to believe in anti-White racism way worse than any Leftists who believe in discrimination against Black and other minorities.

[/quote]You went off into some weird tangent there. Not sure what church or “anti-white” racism has to do with anything.

I am simply asking where is the substance, and pointing out the hypocrisy.

(Do I get points for voting for the only black female on the ballot?)

[quote]The Mage wrote:
The Mage wrote:
It would also be good if people actually had another reason to have voted for him other then the color of his skin.

valiance. wrote:
I like how the assumption is that everyone voting for Obama was voting solely on the basis of skin color. I’m sure everyone voting for McCain had solid ideological reasons for it. Oh no, those voters could not be voting based on color at all. If I was rolling my eyes any harder they’d fly out of my head.

Prior to the election, there was a poll of both Obama supporters, and McCain supporters. 8% stated they were voting for McCain because he was white, and 20% stated they were voting for Obama because he was black.

And because this was only people willing to admit their reason, I would assume the numbers were actually higher. But it is the dramatic difference that matters here.[/quote]

I’m calling BS. Let’s see the poll.