The Impeachment Hearings

It is religion. I actually applaud the Mormons for actually sticking with their values.

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Which ones(which Mormons, for clarification)?

It’s been done… check his twitter posts, a fat, incoherent insult has been posted about Mitt Romney…

So… Donald Trump was acquitted… what a shocker

Well, it is not all Mormons, but Trump has lower approval ratings with Utah Mormons (roughly 50% approval), compared to other conservative states. A Republican president would normally have a higher approval rating in Utah, but the Mormons seem to be somewhat turned off by trump’s ethics.

All I gotta say is go Romney. Way to keep your balls and vote your conscience.

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42% of Indepedents approve of Trump.
0% of Independents on PWI (claimed more or less by all of the posters here) approve.

Whattup?

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I’ve been a fan ever since he totally dominated (the arrogant, unprepared, unscripted) Obama in their first debate. Unfortunately, it was then back to politics as usual.

I don’t like assholes. Policy is second to character for me

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The Jews probably.

Obviously you’re not an Evangelical then.

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I think there are a lot of them that don’t like him, but as with all things the noisy people get all the attention. Also people like myself are not going to show up on any surveys: “Hello, this is an automated call to see if. click

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So a politician can be diametrically opposed to you morally in their every policy. But if that is their unwavering conviction (and they are not offensive) you are okay with them?

I read an article about evangelical trump supporters that pointed out that out of the evangelical group as a whole the group that had the highest rates of supporting trump were non-church goers. They still claimed to be evangelicals, but were the Christmas and Easter church attenders. The church going evangelicals still have a high rate of support but less so than the non-church going ones. Maybe hearing about Jesus wanting to help the poor and sick every week has some impact on their actions?

Nobody wants to believe that their views are clouded by their biases. They also believe you can’t have a rational thought if biases at play - which is pretty true but we are a scumbag species so instead of acknowledging the biases and accepting someone may still have a valid point - let’s see if we can flesh it out - we put on a pitiful masquerade.

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Lol. Treco you’re better than that and you know it

Possibly. There’s a big issue with how evangelicals are defined though, for purposes of surveys. For example, churchgoing is viewed as essential… and a practicing evangelical is likely to view “non church-goers” as more like lapsed Catholics than anything else. In other words, not necessarily a “real” evangelical, for right or wrong.

For purposes of surveys though, they’re included in the demographic.

I would think for survey purposes that it would be self reported? Who gets to decide what one is, more than oneself?

I used to be in the evangelical group (and would have self reported that at the time), and was a more than weekly church goer (actually 5X a week for much of my teen years. Turned out an atheist eventually). I really don’t think I could reconcile my moral values with trump’s ethics. Trump is the exact opposite of what I was striving for (based upon my interpretation of Jesus’ teachings).

@Aragorn also.

I feel the same about Trump’s opponents.

I disagree with more their moral stances (saying they are devout Christians, yet unwilling to stand against abortion because politics). In addition to their stances - there is no biological sex/gender, we will take your guns, elimination of borders with full support of any and every one that can get here… on and on.

A true moderate would find some of Trump’s policies acceptable, whether they liked his personality or not. These policies are all we have to make a guess on someone’s character imo.

But on PWI, every act is denigrated. And generally, because of a character judgement. That is not being a moderate, by any definition.

We were working out when that call came in.

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Not true.

Trump has been in the Public eye since he was barely out of his teens…and has publically revealed his character for more that 50 years.

Other that his sudden “born again” Conservatism and feigned religion…Trump’s ego, narcissism, hypocrisy and disdain for anything or anyone who crosses him has not changed one iota.

The only difference now he has much more Power and influence by occupying the seat of President of the United States…which for any person with any sense of reason is a scary and bizarre thought.

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I am not under the impression from reading the bible that god is against abortion? Where do you get that? In fact, there is a verse instructing priests to perform an abortion in the case that a husband suspects his wife of infidelity.

Numbers 5:11-31

I don’t see where this fits in as far as policy making goes? I don’t think any president has even weighed in on this?

The rate of gun purchases has gone down with trump. Obama was probably the best thing the gun industry has ever had. Is it the left that is saying we will take your guns, or is it the right saying the left is going to take your guns? There is a difference. The gun policy proposals from the left have all been pretty common sense things IMO. Nothing like a total gun grab and prohibition.

Maybe a few have said this, but it is not the opinion of the whole. Don’t immigrants end up increasing GDP after only a few short years, and statistically, only a few are drags on society?