The "Free Market" Failure of the American Healthcare System

More people from the U.S. travel outside of this country for medical reasons than people who come into this country for treatment. https://www.quora.com/How-many-Americans-travel-to-Canada-for-healthcare-and-vice-versa A small sample only comparing the Canadians.

They, the Canadians? Why is the U.S. consistently ranked one of the lowest in outcomes of the industrialized nations? With our vaunted free market system that has worked so well.

I’m sorry this goes against everything you hold dear but truth and evidence is what matters not your beliefs.

You don’t know how they ranked the systems so you can’t say that. As a general rule of thumb you should refrain from saying things you don’t understand.

You have no idea how to evaluate evidence or truth and you’re the most bigoted person on this forum regarding belief systems.

The first link is a blog post comparing Canadian’s coming to the US for medical procedures to American’s buying drugs from Canada. Zeppelin is an idiot.

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What’s really funny is that the blog post talks about medical tourism, throws out a number, then references Wikipedia where they got the number from…but if you go to the source at Wiki and download the pdf (an article by Fred Hansen) there’s NO SOURCES CITED in the primary article. No bibliography, none. Fred just spews a bunch of random things out, and doesn’t cite anything. Fantastic work, really.

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Huge shocker…

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And you are consistently making excuses for the U.S. healthcare system despite the mountain of evidence against it.

The real shocker is your denial of all the worldwide evidence of the big failure of the healthcare system in this country. How much are you gonna cry if single-payer becomes a reality? Paying less and getting better overall outcomes will certainly insult your ideology. But maybe not, as you would probably try and find any excuse to deny reality.

Pot to the kettle: “you’re black!”

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I’m not, but I am unsurprised that you can’t comprehend that.

And you deny the evidence as well. I bet your parents would be so proud.

So you admit the U.S. healthcare system doesn’t work as well as other countries who have a form of single-payer?

NO. “Not making excuses for problems in healthcare” =/= “Agrees with Zeppelin’s uninformed ideological talking points”.

You’re psychologically and mentally incapable of understanding middle ground. That’s your problem not mine.

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All I know is I don’t think Jesus would support free healthcare.

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the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Let me know when you start actually posting evidence… Not half baked conspiracy blogs and apples to avocados comparisons on YouTube.

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Okay, so maybe the study was flawed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/u-s-health-care-system-ranks-as-one-of-the-least-efficient

Plenty of other studies which basically say the same thing. Are all of these studies flawed or designed to put the U.S. healthcare system in a bad light? If so, one can conclude there must be collusion among every other country in the world to foster this outcome.

So where is the middle ground I’m missing?

What tenents of Jesus oppose this?

Plenty of studies in the post above. Or doesn’t this count for evidence? And speaking of evidence where is yours that supports your ideas of the healthcare system in the U.S.?

The US is near the fattest, most sedentary, stressed out and overmedicated group of people on the planet. Keeping us alive is going to cost more regardless of the payment scheme. It is a cultural problem. People want a pill to fix the problem.

Are you okay with rationing and refusal of care?
That’s what single payer means. More importantly will the US electorate, who are used to big Macs in under 2 minutes and next-day Amazon delivery be okay with ACL surgery 10 weeks from now?

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And why is the U.S. the fattest? Is it because the incredibly cheap processed food sold to them by giant corporations who do not want to own up to the externalilties they create? So proud to sell products that help destroy the health of the public as long as they can make a buck.

And why are they stressed out? Because their jobs are leaving them or they haven’t has a real increase in income in years if not decades.

Overmedicated? Hey as long as pharma can capitalize on this, what is the harm?

Medicine is already rationed here. People don’t spend money on going to the doctor because it is too expensive. So it IS being rationed.

Single-payer is consistently outperforming the “market solutions” of the U.S.

And the majority of the public wants single-payer. So I think they will be okay with paying less for better outcomes. You don’t think so?