I am going to side with Raj here, from the standpoint that I think that you guys are just arguing the opposite side of the coin. Come on - Bill Clinton isn’t a woman assaulter? He is most politically connected person maybe in the history of the world, eg can get away with a lot of stuff.
FBI couldn’t get Al Capone for anything but tax evasion, so he wasn’t really a more deadly criminal.
I’m not going to defend all of his posts, but I think some of you are just playing devil’s advocate
Men have been convicted of rape purely on victim testimony yet Bill Clinton wasn’t even tried
That’s not the argument. Raj called him a rapist, with no proof of rape other than a previous history of sexual misconduct and his feelings that it’s not far fetched.
Is this how you feel or do you have a specific example?
Edit: Actually, there probably is a case (bad question for my argument) but I can’t think of one of the top of my head. Qudos if you do. Even if there is, that hardly means that all people suspicious of rape SHOULD be convicted. The whole due process thing.
Look up Eric Frimpong
lol right on queue. Touche. Just because it has happened, doesn’t mean it should happen to other guys who only have victim testimony. Dumb question/train of thought.
That is not what I am doing. Rape is a specific and serious crime. This is a nation of laws, right? That’s a central theme to the Trump campaign and one of the few concepts that, imo, he has correct. One of the underlying themes of our legal system is Due Process as stated in the fifth amendment. This is an incredibly important protection and I’m not just going to throw around accusations regarding one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit (one I think should result in the death penalty mind you) without a shred of proof.
“Not exactly a stretch to me that he would rape a woman” Do you not see how unbelievable insane this is. Is he a womanizer, ya, it appears that he is. So is Tiger Woods. How that translates to RAPE is beyond me and I can guarantee if someone was saying this about Donald Trump TheRaj would be defending him against false accusations without a shred of proof.
Innocent until proven guilty is apparently a lost concept in 2016.
Here’s the thing. No one; except, TheRaj and now you are claiming Clinton is guilty or innocent. If you go back through the posts you will not see a single post where I claim he has not committed a sexual assault or rape. Just as I have not claimed that Donald Trump has committed fraud even though he is currently being sued for fraud. The difference is, I respect the Bill of Rights, in this case, the right to a trial before declaring a man is guilty of the worst crime that exists (imo).
I’m certainly not going to apologize because I require proof of such actions. This lawless mob mentality that requires no evidence for a conviction is truly scary.
There was literally no evidence that Frimpong committed rape. This is an example of the justice system failing not proof that Clinton is a rapist.
Put Bill on trial.
I’m not saying he should be sent to prison without one. But based on what I know I think he’s a rapist.
Put Trump on trial.
This woman endorsed him for president and clarified her statement. Where are your critical thinking skills?
She was paid off, obviously. Just like Jill Harth. I don’t need proof in this brave new world.
You’re endorsing a guy that thinks the sitting President of the United States is the founder of ISIS.
Trump’s probably a member of the mob too. That’s what’s been alleged anyway so it must be true.
Well he’s also preventing members of ISIS and their sympathizers from entering the country
No he isn’t. If he wins, and that’s a big if, he might try to do the above.
They aren’t close to equal. He has no equal on this front in modern American history. Feel free to request a citation for anything you aren’t aware of and can’t find by way of a Google search:
– Trump speaks more warmly of Vladimir Putin than any major American political figure, ever. It’s very easy to get him to praise Putin, and very difficult to get him to offer even meek, qualified criticisms of him. His impulse to defend Putin is so strong that he went so far as to indulge it during an appearance on the Kremlin’s state-owned English-language propaganda network.
– Trump spent much of the last year surrounding himself with high-level Putinite stooges. Note here that I’m not talking about somebody like Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, who, to borrow your phrase, “sat as chairman on a board of an energy company that bagged a little bit of money from the Russian goverment.” No, I’m talking about, e.g., a political operative who worked directly to install and sustain a Kremlin puppet government in Ukraine – the very same puppet government the puppethood of which caused the continuing geopolitical crisis in Crimea. Another example: Carter Page, an adviser to Trump on Russian policy matters and a Putinite Gazprom exec who is reportedly under investigation for having met with the Kremlin official believed by the American intelligence community to be responsible for meddling in American politics (not that we needed this to understand where Page’s allegiance lies, given that he wrote the following: “While the loss of Michael Brown and Eric Garner has received intense media coverage and perfunctory federal government investigations, the economic injustice unleashed upon the millions of people residing in Russia, Ukraine and the former Soviet Union by misguided Western policies has met limited recognition”). Again, these are about a billion miles beyond Podesta’s having “sat as chairman on a board of an energy company that bagged a little bit of money from the Russian goverment.” When you find evidence that Podesta helped Vladimir Putin slip his tentacles into and annex part of a sovereign nation that was otherwise headed toward European integration, lemme know.
– The rare occasions on which Trump abandons policy-unrelated stream-of-consciousness gibberish for policy-related stream-of-consciousness gibberish serve as little more than showcases for Kremlin propaganda points. He has suggested that Putin is innocent of everything from the murder of Alexander Litvinenko to the incursion into Ukraine (there is, in fact, some confusion as to whether Trump even knew that Crimea is Ukranian) to the DNC hack. He has suggested that, hey, maybe we ought to just wipe our asses with the Budapest Memorandum and recognize Russia’s newest peninsula. More generally, he has touted United Russia and its thuggish little worm-king as strong, effective, and good for the Russian Federation despite the fact that it has driven the country’s economy into the ground and made it an international pariah demonstrably weaker and hollower than it was.
– Trump has openly questioned Article 5 of the NAT. It would not be remotely difficult to argue that NATO’s principle of collective self defense has been the single most important pillar of the world order since the middle of the last century (note: take a guess as to whether or not we want the world order to start getting flipped around?). We can be assured that most Trump supporters don’t have the slightest idea what kind of immense global danger is implied by this particular example of babbled Trumpian idiocy, and I’m a little ashamed to admit that the worst, most cynical, most self-destructively vindictive part of me hopes that they win the election and get taught a catastrophic lesson about what the world does to a people so stupefied by the sounds and smells of the circus as to lose interest in their own fate.
– Trump has the obvious backing not only of Kremlin propaganda instruments across the entire spectrum from Assange to MGIMO, but also of the goddamn Russian government and military. Per the available evidence (including tools reused from GRU’s Bundestag hack), the analyses of the three separate incident responders, and broad consensus within the intelligence community, the DNC hack-and-leak was a direct FSB/GRU incursion into the 2016 election, and it was self-evidently designed to harm Clinton / benefit Trump.
Any one of these, considered on its own, would be something to think seriously about. Taken together, they disqualify Trump from executive office at a level more fundamental than has come into play since the abolition of chattel slavery.
Are you saying Trump is a willing ally or mistaking a hand up the backside, for a pat on the back?
If ally, what is his motivation? Strictly to gain power?
No, not willing ally. He’s suggesting the latter–mistaking a hand up the backside for a pat on the back. Trump wouldn’t knowingly play into someone else’s game, his ego wouldn’t take it. He wants to be top dog. He is, however, stunningly ignorant of the things we NEED a president to be informed on regarding geopolitics. Hillary is wrong on many levels and I hate her decisions, but at least she recognizes the game being played and most of the rules in use.
Preview of debate #2
The latter, mostly. In fact, I think the line is blurrier than one might assume. Take a certain kind of silver-spoon nihilist, subtract anything remotely resembling an intellect, add a half-buffoonish, half-sociopathic reality-TV ravenousness for attention and celebrity (the kind that would be very stimulated by random praise from a foreign strongman). Insert Kremlin stooges into ear. What do you end up with? What if he is empty and credulous enough to actually believe, as his adviser wrote, that Obama and his cabal of Western bullies have cruelly punished the Russian people with aggression and sanctions?
I’m not saying Trump goes home, drops into a thick Russian accent, and maniacally laughs with his ex-KGB handler about how everything is going according to plan. I’m saying that he is surely too stupid even to know when he’s being played. I’m saying that there a lot of nefarious fucks within Putin’s inner circle who see a spectacularly ignorant, easily-played American president as just what the doctor ordered. I’m saying that regardless of Trump’s obvious receptivity to Putinite horseshit, Putin wants him to be president anyway, because he (Putin) believes that a diminished United States is a Russian national interest, and it is painfully obvious that everything about Donald Trump, from his unique inability to think like an adult to his explicit and catastrophic policy musings, represents diminishment. The “Muslim ban” alone was enough to make Putin positively salivate. Russian global influence would triple in a year if Trump were to get his fingers on the levers of American power, and the Kremlin knows it.
Edit: …but that’s just what I believe. What I know are the facts outlined above, and they are more than enough for me. I was excited about voting for Bush against Clinton. Now I donate to Priorities USA.
